Discussion in 'Off-Topic Forum' started by Judas, May 12, 2009.
10 Yr. Old with Toy Gun Arrested, Fingerprinted - 11Alive.com | WXIA | Atlanta, GA
while the act of having brought the toy gun to school seems to have been an accident, the possibilities of punishment for the boy are over exaggerated. at most, the school should suspend him, not expel him.
Talk about making a mountain range out of an ant hill....
PULEEEESEEE...from what I could figure out in the story (which was a bit hard to follow), the kid never made any threats. It was another kid telling the others that the kid was going to shoot them.
Then later, some other kid totally over-reacts and calls 911 giving them what turns out to be false information. Now, I can give the police a bit of a pass on their initial reaction, since they had no way of knowing that it was a toy from the 911 call, after they saw what it really was, that should have been the end of it. Everything they did that was an over-reaction, and totally unnecessary.
As for the school and it's "Zero tolerance policy"...I could go on for days about how absolutely idiotic that is. It really pisses me off the the very people that will pontificate about how they are there to teach your children "critical thinking", adopt a policy that allows them to do no crirical thinking whatsoever. Fucking hypocritical cowards, afraid to make a decision on a case by case basis based on the facts.
At worst, the kid should have gotten some detention, and maybe grounded at home for a week, but ARRESTED?!?!...beam me up scotty....
just a question.. what in the hell is wrong with bringing a toy gun to school?
shit i brought tons of things to school.. whatever happened to the slingshots and shit?
It's gotten to the point that dress codes are being implemented that make the set standards in stick schools of the past seem like mad house...
Guns are eeeeeeevvvviiiillll...they will compel you to kill....
Actually, I think that there should be mandatory firearms training in school. The people that are against firearms, for the most part, just don't know anything about them.
When I was in High School, I was on the school's rifle team which competed against other high schools. It was no big deal then (1960's).
We knew what a rifle could do, we were taught how to use them safely, we were taught not to fear them, but to respect them. Kids brought rifles and shotguns to school all of the time during hunting season, and we didn't have 'school massacres', nor did any of the teachers freak out.
in some areas, a dress code is necessary to remove any kind of gang affiliation or "wannabes". at least, that's the case here in the greater Los Angeles area. i don't know about other places.
but, i do agree with old buzzard on this one. this entire situation was over done, aside from the initial response by the cops as they did not know it was a real gun or not.
if anybody should be punished here, it ought to be the kid who called 911 and the other kid who said that the kid with the gun was going to start killing other kids.
what you are typically unfamilare with.. and only see the bad things such things can do..... we are taught to fear...
and with fear, stupid dicisions are made, and this is how people are played into removing their freedoms.
I had a bow and arrow at school, i know people that brought shutguns and firearms to school... There wasn't ANY problem at all with it until the last 6 years of being in school... at which point things go so jaded and spun around, if you had a plastic knife, you were considered a threat....
Obviously they haven't a clue what a pair of strong hands can do to someone....
This isn't limited to Georgia, but our whole public system in the state is pretty bad. I can give you many occurrences of this same thing in my state. Even worse. We have cases where kids drew a picture of a gun & end up suspended. An Eagle Scout getting booted & charged for having his "official USBS" hatchet in the truck of his car (along with allll the rest of the normal camping equipment) after leaving it there from doing a training session with a bunch of younger scouts the night before. Kids with pens or hats or shirts with a firearm manufacturers name/logo being sent home. The list of idiocy that is perpetrated in the name of zero tolerance is nearly limitless. That's all just from cases I'm aware of here in Georgia in the last couple of years. I'm doing everything I can to make sure my child goes to a private school. Bring a water gun to class - someone gets wet & he'll get detention & maybe a spanking when he gets home. The government needs to get out of the education business along with about 10,000 other "businesses"...
thats some dumb sh** , leave the kid alone, there are far worse kids in worse scenarios
What a load of bull s**t leave the poor kid alone.:duh:
This is overreacting while trying to set an example. Couldn't believe my eyes after reading this. The kid is only ten and I suppose it was very clear it was a toygun (orange on the top of the gun, etc). By the way, I am surprised that there is no heavy debate about color and racism yet.
i dont think so, sounds to me like some lame ass republican purism act u know spreading good ol sorry to say christain values around, Not the way to go about it i dare say
You can thank Columbine and all the school shootings since for this shennigans, To be quite honest the Zero tolerance policy obviously doesn't f'n work. Clearly We still have school shootings, by not educating people in gun safety, and educating younglings, about the danger of said weapons, as well as "expelling" we only further these miscreants slum driven lives. Education is a necessary tool that absolutely must be enforced, and reenforced upon young people so that they not only learn Material. But they learn morals and personal responsibility, believe me you can be desensitized from violence but still know right from wrong.
from a technicallity standpoint..
since the implemention of stricter controls and low or zero tolerance policies, incidents have increased exponentially.
WTH do Christian values have to do with zero tolerance for guns/violence in schools? Religious values have actually suffered due to some ZT policies.
Much of the issue comes from paranoid, knee jerk reactionary folks (most of these sorts of things kicked in after the Columbine shootings) and from Liberals that want a 100% politically correct world.
Toss in an enviroment in the USA where
Many public school children come from crappy family situations that have provided no proper upbringing or moral foundation
The lawsuit happy state that our country is in
A bunch of educators & admin that are more than pleased to have any responsibility for thinking about punishments or justice being removed from them
And you get zero tolerance. Personally if I am going to blame any one "group" on this I'd blame the Dems/Liberals. They are ultimately responsible for the collapse of the core family amounst the lower income levels and they've pushed for more & more government involvement in education (though the Rebups have been in on that as well).
Many republicans are all about stopping abortions, shutting down any kind of "alternative lifestyle" and that is influenced directly from religious beliefs but ZT policies about guns or drugs or violence in general is not a part of that.
Hmm any one group to blame is the Dems/Liberals? It's called basic common sense and too many in power that don't have it, and it's on both sides of the coin. I consider myself a Democrat and for what the kid did, the punishment is clearly over blown. Both parties have made laws that have brought this country down to it's lowest level in years. Constitional rights? No clue what those are any more.
Fact is, parents aren't as involved with their kids as they used to be and because of that, you have shit like Columbine and other places because kids don't know how to deal with anything or who they can talk to regarding it. Because of those factors, you have schools like this one going way overboard on something that should have been handled differently.
Everyone is too quick to blame a party for the over all degration of family values (Dems being to liberal, Rep' for going to right) that what we really need to do is look at the parents who just dump their kids in front of a TV and don't bother to talk to them at all. Is going to church going to change that? No. Start taking the kids away from them then and see what changes then.
If we're going to blame Dems for this, I would like to point out that since Rep's would like all abortions to stop, how about better sex education so we don't have people getting pregnant that don't want kids and use the tv for baby sitters or how about better adoption policies to give parents who want kids easier access to them then? Maybe we wouldn't have so many kids killing each other if they had parents that cared in the first place.
Sorry for the rant but blaming one party or another over this is kind of pointless. Both parties have done and will continue to do shit only for their best interest and that is that it all comes down to money and what's the best way to get paid.
Nothings worse then demo/libs or any group of parties working together.
I take back my words, a bit extreme there are far too many variables when considering the causative agent of someone who may take part in these shootings,
but for sure i know that:
parental upbringning or a lack of
community one lives in (wealthy poor etc)
religion/faith or lack thereof
genetics genes etc
all affect the pshycological attributes of such individuals.
Ofcourse politics has a part to play but not as much as those that affect these kids directly but they do have an effect, because policies utimately affect communities and individuals..
Anyway the blame cant be easily discerned and I don't think liberals are to blame for most of societies pitfalls.
At the core of societies ills is selfishness and greed.
"I care only for myself" will make us inevitable alienated from one another and slowly societies framework starts to crumble.
Methinks love,honor,truth,friendship are the links without these governments, policies anything we try is a waste of time
Hence every government is neuted rendered powerless as their peoples remain unable to band together and push society forward.
Would have to agree with you on this.
I agree with you guys some & disagree mostly. I think the largest causative issue for many of today's problems is a loss of "the independent, self sufficient" mentality and decline of the traditional core family. From your above posts I think you will, at least mostly, agree with that concept. ie:
Far too many people these days have become accepting & expecting of being taken care of - they want schools provided by the government and they want schools to pretty much raise their kids. Those kids have grown up lacking discipline, morals, and any real direction at all. Many turn to gangs or relationships that are too grown up for how old they are. Then you end up with single parent homes with that single parent having no clue how to be a parent (because they didn't have parents worth a crap for an example to follow). That's pretty much a death spiral. Darn hard to get out of that kind of circumstance. Some kids do. Most don't.
Then you have folks that don't want to work. Those same single parents (usually the mother since "my baby's dad" ran out when things stopped being fun) end up living off welfare. No incentive to get off that. You get housing, TV, food, and medical. Hell why be productive or do anything but fuck, get more kids and make more on welfare. That pretty much completes the cycle of destruction as I see it.
One of the last bricks in that shithouse is the decline of the church. Those of you who feel the religion isn't important can believe what you will. But, that's what the greatest country in the history of the world was founded upon and the farther away from Christian morals & principals we go, the worse it gets around here.
Now given all of that I think that the strongest cause of the above factors started with Roosevelt & the New Deal. That started us towards Socialism (which good old BO is doing his best to drive us all the further that way). It got worse during several major political actions over the following decades. Most brought up by Dems, but several by Repubs. For what it's worth, I don't like hardly any politicians. We need 2 term limits for everyone (if not a 1 term limit) career politicians are an abomination. We also need to turn over about 90% of everything that the current Fed gov does to the states. The Founding Fathers have been spinning in their graves for decades at the usurpation of authority that the fed has perpetrated.
I think Alexander Tytler had it right and America is into phase 7 - from apathy to dependence.
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