American Thinks.....

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  1. Shwompy

    Shwompy New Member

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    See right there... nobody will ever take a highschool kids opinions, how can i change anything.
     
  2. Falstaff

    Falstaff Old Codger

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    I think most kids today are idealistic, those that are politically bent in anyway,and lose their objectivity when they see what the real world is about in terms of their obligation to their country, their own perception of what is right and wrong based on their value system, in short, kids today are losing their values. Rome is a mob, and perhaps America as well, we need strong leadership, strong military and very a robust and flexible political machine. Bi-partisan or not, we all must do what is best for the country, but kids today are raised to a different standard, I call for the parents of children today to teach responsibilty, values and a desire to depend less on government to pay thier bills, raise their children and provide welfare. I am all for "get a f*&king job and shut up!!" rather than molly coddle a growing population of irreverant and irresponsible people in my country.
     
  3. ToshiroOC

    ToshiroOC Unbiased.

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    Wrong attitude, if you ask me. I'm a high school student, and I can make a difference by a) cogency of argument, b) activism, and c) getting an education to get to a position where I will have more influence to change the world. None of the three work without the other two.
     
  4. Shwompy

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    Its harder than that big guy
     
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    Everything i have said in this forum is what i know or what i think i know. Im here to speak alittle bit to get a rise out of all of you i guess. I dont think i know everything, andi know that i dont. I have alot of time left in my life to learn alot more. Thanks for all the replys and sorrie if i made anyone mad.
     
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    you can always learn new things despite how old you are. The saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" is by far absolutely false.
     
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    If you make a well stated, informed, and cogent argument, then does it have any less value because of your age (or lack thereof)? A smart idea and a good argument have an intrinsic value and power of their own independent of your age - the issue is being able to make them.
     
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    Well said Tosh.....
     
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    damn straight, because we are. :D
     
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    If you continue down his post you will see he speaks some fact. England was in dire need of supplies and assistance but didnt have the funds neccessary to do so, the lend lease program and other policies strengthed US economy. Also at the end of WW2 England in order to cut debt owed to the US gave up a majority of their ports/naval facilities around the world thus increasing the US's presence around the world. There are debts still to be paid and that helps increase the capabilities of a country. Think of it as a global credit card with high interest rates.
     
  11. BWX

    BWX get out and ride

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    Capitalism and democracy works. Socialism .. doesn't. That's the only reason the US is where it is in todays landscape.
     
  12. Pompey

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    First of all, I agree democracy works. However, socialism works to some extent. A completely capitalist system (like the one on America) is just as bad as a completely socialist system. The extreme capitalism has taken a heavy toll on Americas 'democracy'. It has given rise to an elitist version of democracy. Whoever has the money has the power. Because American presidential candidates rely on private funding for the campaigns their first allegiance is to their wealthy 'sponsors'. Evident in the tax policy. The US political system is based on who you know, not what you know. That explains Bush's rise to power. That combined with an ignorant US government has lead to the current economic crisis. Social programs are necessary. Most other western democracies have a better balance. Having said that, the condition of the ex-soviet bloc's economy’s proves that extreme socialism is far worse than extreme capitalism.

    Americas 'problem', or should I say the worlds problem, is there is no country matching its hyperpower status. China will eventually but until then the world rely on the west. And frankly, the western governments have no balls. (If I offended anyone, get over it:p).

    Ill just offer an insight of a to all the Americans here why people like me dislike America (yes, there is a world outside America and no, not everyone that hates America is a terrorist). The reason is its double standards. One rule for all, except America. On example is WMD's. America condemns countries that try and develop them (or already has a stockpile) and at the same time has an enormous stockpile. Another prime example is the International court. Its aim was to bring world leaders who committed crimes such as genocide to account. It would put diplomats and leaders on trial if they were not brought to account in their own country. It would eliminate the immunity they received. America signed the draft (under Clinton) but when Bush became president he asked for immunity for US citizens. He wanted the rest of the world to be accountable but not Americans. He also wants the Right to 'protect' his allies from the courts decisions. Thankfully other countries have blocked similar moves by the US, not only in the ICC but the UN as well.

    Also, state Terrorism committed by countries like America & Russia are now called 'counter-terrorism'. America's sphere of influence continues to expand and with it so does 3rd world hatred of the west. And indeed, Western hatred of America grows too. "Violence breads violence".

    Just a thought from an 'idealised youth' fallang_jeff

     
  13. BWX

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    The US doesn't have a "completely Capitalistic system" - There are safty-nets for lazy asses who don't want to work...




    If they had a better balance they would be a "super power" now wouldn't they?




    So if there is another communist super power the world will be a better place? :duh:

    Maybe if western governments grew some balls we wouldn't have the problems like terrorism from crazy nutcases from the middle east... What they actually need is to grow a conscience and maybe some ethics. Making money off Saddam while he terrorized the people he had complete control over, and then trying to block the removal of him explains a lot.




    Yeah and we are not a terrorist state.. Don't compare us with scum like Al Qaeda. Or Murderers like Saddam. The difference is responsibility. So North Korea or Iran should have Nukes? Is that what you are saying? Maybe Al Qaeda deserves them too?
    Open your eyes.



    Good for them, let them hate us. If they are so jealous and blind that they don't see the good we are trying to do, then who cares.

    I type this as elections are being help in Iraq.. how ironic. But bet that's just so we can control the oil right? 300billion and 1000's of dead soldiers to control the oil right? :sigh: After all that's the only reason we went to Iraq isn't it? :duh:
     
  14. Sandok

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    Yes you are trying to control oil in Iraq and nothing you say can justify the reason you guys went to fight Saddam. OMG, he's got WMD!!! We must go but uh oh! Nothing to be found.... :wtf:

    Seriously, Iraqi elections aren't gonna change anything. Most of the popluation says it prefered Saddam regiem to what they have now (which is a militia making an unsafe enviroment for everyone).

    Have you watched Team America? Great view of the US world :D The US is the world's only HYPER power. Not super power. They are beyon that. They dictate what they want, when they want and they get it. They are beyond power. And in the US, power dictates money is very true. It's capatalistic. Very...

    Lastly, who said having China as a new hyper power will be bad? Communism ain't a bad thing. Far from bad! I think the shift of power coming in this comming century (china eating up US.. MAYBE) won't be bad. Communism is by far a bad thing... You guys were just asses in the cold war saying that the soviets were evil and all!
     
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    If you think communism is good, that explains the other completely ridiculous statement you make. Go live in China if you think it is so great.. I guess you probably wouldn't be allowed on the internet there though, unless you are a spammer.

    This coming from a person afraid to tell where he is from.
     
  16. Sandok

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    Me... It says I'm from god's country... :wtf: Communism has good and bad. Bad, yes the goverment is uber contrictive and all but many goods and out of all the poeple I know who live and work in china, many of them have nothing against it. I went to china and I found it perfectly civil and normal... Not that different from where I live or the US (i lived there too... before).
     
  17. BWX

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    But communism is not an ideal form of government. I mean the people own nothing in true communism and without private ownership, what is the incentive to succeed? :(

    And saying things like this:

    Come on, how am I supposed to take that seriously.. It is wrong on so many levels.
     
  18. Sandok

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    I didn't say it's perfect... I know that there are many bad bad bad things about it but a few good things to! And you know the US ain't a totally liberal goverement either. With making the FBI allowed to arrest anyone for any reason ain't THAT different from the chinese polocy.
     
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    Dude I don't mean anything bad. Just trying to keep the discussion alive.. Sry mate! Listen, I love the US. Many good things there, I lived there, enjoyed life there and I still like the US ALOT ALOT ALOT... I mean, most of my favorite things come from there! But there are bad things. Not trying to Diss the US of A but there are some bad things some of us wouldn't mind seeing. Forget everything I said anyways... Mostly rants :annoyed:
     

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