Discussion in 'Off-Topic Forum' started by Shwompy, Jan 3, 2005.
So now all criticising the US/Israeli alliance or the Israeli crimes towards civilians are antisemites?
There is one reason behind this and that's the fact that USA singlehanded has used it's veto to destroy over 100 UN-resolutions against Israel during the years.
But Hey... You are right, the rest of all the countries on this planet are always wrong.
once again, 1+1=3. Or "what the?" would perhaps be a better comment.
Freedom: Americas Idea of freedom is freedom for all people who agree with us, freedom to all who we think deserve freedom. I suppose Guantanamo bay desent count. The FBI is allowed to violate these freedoms and human rights advocated by the US when its other countries violating them.
Capitalism: I see your trying the "your either with us or against us" thing. I am a advocate for capitalisum, just not to the leval that america is. Capitalisum combined with socalisum works far better that pure capitalisum. Take a look at the latest offical unemployment figures. Socialist NZ is at no. 1 with 3.6%. the bulk of the remaining are people who either cant work, or solo parents etc. Wages are Increasing and the $NZ has been hovering around 70c (US). Infact skilled and unskilled workers from overseas should find it easy to get a job. How is the US economy doing again? care to remind us.
Ive already addressed the tyrant issue in previous posts and further down this post.
The point that America has caused the death of many thousands of innocent people has already been made several times.
Yup. His goal was to create a Aryan State. He wanted to control Europe. He had little ambition for Asia, Africa, and the Americas. He has even decided he dident want Britian, her wanted the UK as his ally, Germany would dominate but Britian would control the seas and Germany the land. What his successors would have done is impossible to say. As I said earlier, Brittian, Russia etc would have defeated Germany. In saying that I also think the Iron Curtain would have been a lot closer to Britian if america had not of been there.
Actually we have helped other countries, East Timor (the US funded Indonesian opression of East Timor)and the Solomon Islands to name a few. As I said earlier, we donate a large amount of aid. In WWII, When Australia and NZ were under threat of a Japanese Invasion australia pulled her troops out of Europe and back home, The NZ troops stayed in Europe.
Have you heard of Gallipoli? The ANZACS? As any Australian would also tell you they were not cowards.
If America had not have installed many of the fascist reigemes around the world and blocked Intervention we wouldnt have had half brutal tyrants in recent history.
Thats a first, we normally get the sheep shagging jokes lol.
I cant believe im reading this.
Where did that come from. Im anti zionist but not anti jewish (yes there is a differance). There is another thread on the Palistinian/ Israeli debate. Perhaps you should learn the history of Palistine before you take the zionist position.
As for the rection to my comment "The contracts have almost all exclusively been awarded to American companies" i agree. The comment was a reply to the "We havent recieved any renumeration from oil or anything else in Iraq." statement by jeff. America did get something from the war. The contracts.
America is a terrorist, even the ICC agrees.
Wow, Al-Qaeda would just love you. So would Saddam, the N Korean government, Palestinian suicide bombers, the insurgence in Iraq, etc.. they would all agree with you.. interesting.. You would fit right in.
The largest, most powerful, and influential economy in the world.. that good enough for you?
Oh please- the UN oil-for-food debacle would dwarf the money we make after funding the war...
Well,obviously you don't have the same definition of freedom as America does. Freedom is when a country can elect its leaders,freedom of speach,freedom to bare arms,freedom for religion(not from religion),freedom for life and persuit of happiness. Doesn't sound like you think America don't like your freedom,how missled you are. Socialism? You mean somethong like Germany with over 12% unemployment? We've got usually 5.1 to 5.8% unenployment. By governmental standards that is considered to be 99% employed because there will always be that small amount that don't want a job. Some want to live off of government money (i.e. Socialism).Unfortunatly some people are lazy,drunks, or drugies. That is were socialism fails you,you are dependent on government at too many levels.Conservative Republican view is this,work hard and never rely on others because you never know when that may fail you. The only true person you can rely on is yourself. Then after you have made yourself successful,help others through donating to help the poor and the weak. That is a big part of America,that is why we are the leading economic force in the world.
I still didn't hear anyone defend the palestinian position on making their children put on bombs and blowing themselves up? Want to defend that? Is that a good thing? Israel has been the Jewish land before the palestinians anyway,for thousands of years.
actually we created israel after world war 2 as an act of sympathy towards the holocaust("we" being the allies, it was mainly britain's doing)
I was not going to post in this silly thread anymore, till I saw this. This is the single most hilarious post in this whole thread. Thank you for making me laugh first thing today!
Right to a fair trial? Innocent until proven guilty? Human rights? Dont hijack freedom and claim it as your own, there are many democracys, many states that consider themselfs free. These other states value "freedom" as you have described it above we also value and respect the ones I mentioned.
As i said earlier, we have 3.6% unemployment. Americas official unemployment rate is probably a lot higher than 5.8% because you only count the people on welfare.
Extreme socialism is probably what you are referring to. German workers are just plain lazy. What do they work?, 30 hour weeks or something And still expect the same amount of money. Ill say it again, capitalism combined with socialism works the best. We are probably a little too socialist but the opposition in parliament stops any extreme socialist policies passing into law. Countries that are too socialist will end up in massive debt and face ruin, as the Netherlands did. America is too capitalist, and America is heading for disaster. The worlds attention is already moving away form America and onto China. Americas debt is so great that if the economy does not colapse, the government will become officially bankrupt.
So bacuse it dont agree with you im a terrorist? One again, the typical ameircan stratagy for dealing with those who dont agree with them. Your either with us or against us. Generly said when they are desperate and cant defend their actions. I honestly found that post rather strange. No defence of Guantanimo Bay, The FBI's authority, My definition of american "freedom". You simply called me a terrorist. Al-Qaeda would love me? Im not a muslim, I dont even beleive in god, Im a westener, thats almost everything that would offend Al-Qaeda. I have repeatedly condemed the N Korean government. There is no doubt Saddam needed to go. I am strongly agains the murder of civilians no matter what their country or people have done. Im sure ex or current KKK members support the republican party but I dont call the reublican party the KKK.
I didn’t defend the palistinian position because it doesn’t belong in this thread. Join the palistinian debate but i think raid already delt with it. I hope I never run into him in a dark forum.
Actually he's quite right:
The Balfour Declaration
November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild:
I have much pleasure in conveying to you. on behalf of His Majesty's
Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge
of the Zionist Federation.
Arthur James Balfour
Palestine is a historical name for the region pre-dating the Ottoman Empire, which was revived by the British Government after the First World War when the Versailles conference granted Britain a mandate over the territory specifically "to administer and prepare the region as a homeland for the Jewish people."
This thread has gone slightly off topic, and I appreciate there's another thread for Israel/Palestine but to bring this one back to a critique of America Bashing, it's important for us in Europe to understand that our ancestors here largely reshaped the world (excepting China) to fit their own ends, many of the countries and conflicts going on today are legacies of Europe's imperial past. While I fully agree that America doesn't get everything right, and many Americans seem to consider the outside world as beneath their notice, we should remember that Europe largely made the world we live in, many of its problems included.
yea...US is a european immigrant spin off, if you will. Australia: a british penal colony, India: british trading post, Japan was much shaped by the dutch.
Most of the world owes itself to europe.
Actually, you are both wrong. Israel was given to the Jews by G-d., not man.
As for the current Israeli history:http://i-cias.com/e.o/israel_5.htm
But that is completely okay that you and the rest want to bash. This is the most hate filled forum I have ever visited. Not only toward America, Americans, but to Jews as well.
It is difficult at best to try to have a civilized exchange with people who are full of hate, and animosity towards others.
So as a Jew, an American, and a Mom of an Army soldier in Iraq, I really think I can better spend my time elsewhere.
Can't argue with that. Just stay out of the political debate and Flame warzone and I am sure you will find some very friendly people.
MM,SAMe OLD STYLE THREAD,who did what ,who is best ,who is?
Well, it can be really hard for a person to argue with another who thinks she is chosen by God. The worst thing is that the people running around in Israel with explosives attached to their bodies are saying exactly the same.
BWX I agree with your replies to some of these posts I have read. Keep up the great work
We count our unemployment by who is asking for benifits. So if you want money,you go file. Not by welfare roles.
America does have some Socialism in its government ( social security,welfare,EPA,and so on.). That is what has got us in so much debt. The liberal democrat party goes and spends and spends. Socialism has got us into trouble. I think that is mostly why,economicly speaking, why we have wanted a conservative in the white house and our congress. They spend less than liberals. So much money goes out for govt programs and no money comes in or very little. When you have less govt,conservative view,the people make money because of lack of restrictions and benifits us all including the govt. More money, then more tax money flows in cause of the profit base,without needing to raise taxes. Why depend on the govt to use your money? Don't make since. The people know more how to use their money more than a bunch of fighting polititians in congress.Don't get me wrong though,some socialism is needed,but very limited.Like our military and some welfare who really need it but they need to get off and find a job as soon as posible. Capiltalism and freedom is the answer. America is more powerful than any nation on earth and I think socialism is one step closer to communism. We all know what communism will do. Look at Kim mentally Ill in N korea. People come up missing over there all the time.
I'm not aware I engaged in Jew-bashing, that would be extraordinarily hypocritical of me since my mother and all of her family are Jews themselves......
Interesting you mentioned that LOL .. I used to work for PayPal/eBay. I can tell you that A LOT of the 'spoof' emails and web pages that came from hosts that were chineese or at least China related. Is that all they let them do there is create spoof sites and attempt to scam people? I didnt work in the spoof department but I know enough to find out where the emails or web pages ended up at. --I tried to stay away from this post but curiosity got the best of me. I am a middle class American currently not working. I am not collecting unemployment. I have had a job since I was about 15, my first job was working at a KOA campground near Mt. Rushmore. I have to say that not working the past 8 months or so has brought me closer to my family and I loathe the day that I have to go back to work. I am proud to be an American and although I know we have our problems- we are still infants in the big scale of how long we've been around. Things will change as they always do. We just need to hope they change for the better.
Yeah .. why are our Gas prices so frikin high. Someone buy me a Prius .... or ... some other rich super power finally Mass Produce the frickin Electro Magneto Propulsion Engines I heard about when I was like 10 years old on beyond 2000.
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