Just putting here a fact I have been noticing with PC games of late. Every new game seems to be having some issues with ATI video cards. I am not naming any because the forums are full of them. Anyway with the Farcry demo things went a little too far, the game works flawlessly on nvidia HW but on ATI's most powerful cards 9800 pro and XT the game crawls and that too with no AA/AF. Also as easy rider mentioned in another thread, in most games of late the AA/AF options in the drivers are totally useless, either they do nothing or they cause problems. ATI may make great cards in theory with all the bells and whistles but if it is gonna encounter problems with every new game and installing the latest drivers become a neccessity rather than a convenience, then I am sorry to say ATI needs to get its act together. please dont flame me cos this is my opinion, and I have been a ATI faithfull all along.