Bezel Beware.

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  1. craig5320

    craig5320 Well-Known Member

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    With technologies such as Eyefinity from AMD and Surround from NVIDIA becoming more popular multi monitor setups are desirable. They can improve productivity in the workplace and the gaming experience at home. To maximise the experience users are always seeking thinner bezels and in recent generations it is great to see major brands trying to tackle this bezel/screen edge thickness, minimising it where possible.
     
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    Naughty, naughty! Thanks for pointing this out, guys, I find these promotional pictures not misleading, but outright fraudulent.

    Bezels with the width in that order of magnitude are nothing new: I have a fairly cheap monitor (about the cheapest FullHD one I could find at the time, VGA input only etc) and its bezel is only around 15mm thick. So at 11mm, they haven't made the bezel disappear, they've only shrunk it by about 25% compared to what's been widely available on cheap solutions for some time, yet they advertize it as a major breakthrough on a premium product and make false claims supported by photoshopped images. Disappointing to say the least.
     
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    Not the first time they do it, has been going on for years.

    I find the fact alone that they dare lying, cos this is a blatant example of lying, they should be pursued in class actions and even boycotted.

    Taking consumers for asses should be punished and sent as example to all other manufacturers.
     
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    Unfortunately liars will continue to exist. Or simply people in marketing. Take a look for example the latest iMac. Almost all videos and photos of it, even from non officially affiliated people to them, will only have the iMac from an angle as to appear the back is only a few mm thick. If you of course have a look at it with slightly different angle you can see how it looks more like a thin CRT than a huge ipad lol.

    I wonder what will come (mass produced) first, a completely bezel free (or say 1mm)monitor or a bend screen monitor equal in width to 3 monitors.
     
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    This scam from LG is getting long in the tooth. I can't believe it's still on. Their main site nowadays present pretty much all computer monitors with the pictured turned off, which has to be an industry first. :p
     
  6. malmental

    malmental System Builder > Hardware Specialist

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    actually the bezels have no interference at all.
    I'm not even using the bezel adjustment feature in Surround anyways, stays standard.
    the human brain is a wonderful thing sometimes and in time will actually phase the bezels out during gameplay.
    if the brain didn't phase things out then we would be seeing all the veins and such that's running through / in our eyes now.

    so thinner bezels is a good thing and less work for the brain to adapt to but in the end it won't matter as much for gameplay.
    might look real cool for pics to show off but besides that it doesn't matter...
     
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    That true?

    One of the main reasons I stayed away from a multi-monitor/eye-finity setup was because of bezels. Although I have had a multi monitor setup before, but that was with a 17'' and a 24".
     
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    yes it's true.
    I have read it besides experiencing it personally.
    remember I have a Surround set-up now..

    the human brain will train the eyes and it will fade the bezels out especially if aligned correctly using the bezel adjustment feature.
    it's more apparent in Landscape view than in Portrait that this takes effect however it still happens regardless..
     
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    I think it varies a lot from person to person. I tried Eyefinity at the AMD Gamexperience in London last year, and I found that I very rarely looked at or took in anything on the extra monitors in most games, and when I did I was distracted by the bezel. Maybe it just takes a bit of getting used to.
     
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    Do you guys think 3D gaming and multi-screen setups are the future?
     
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    Short answer: no.

    I think they're neat and interesting, but I don't think they're the future.

    Multi-screen will never be mainstream (though wider screens might be for some niches, including gaming PCs and home theatres).

    3D as it currently stands (requiring glasses) will never be mainstream. Glassless 3D, maybe, but I can't really see it. Too few people care.

    4k HD is far more exciting to me than either of these technologies.

    That said, all three (4K, 3D, multi-screen) require additional (graphical) computing power, which means louder or larger PCs, neither of which I'm that keen on for my next build.
     
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    everyones field of view is different....

    On average the basic premise or accept norms are that the average person have a 120-140 degree frield of view that is able to "catch" sudden movement and light changes.... which basically the brain automatically triggers the eye to move it's center vision to see what it is more clearly..

    this can extend up to as high as 180-200 degree field of view for some people that just happen to have the ability...

    Now as far as the actual field of focused vision where they see the clearest without having to move the eye... basically central field.... that is about 15 to 45 Degrees. Anything outside that is still mostly obvious and clear from 45 to 90 degress... beyond that it quickly deminishes.

    Now some people have really poor field of view.. with their focus being stuck at 15 and their extended field stretching to a maximum of about 60. They simply CANNOT see beyond.

    One way to test your field of view in a rough round about way is to stand up... hold both hands straight out in front of you straight.. and slowly spread them evenly apart AROUND while you Stare FORWARD and concentrate on keeping your view facing forward while still maintaing that you can see your hands.

    Once your hands go out of sight or you are forced to move your head/eyes to see both of them at the same time, this is approximately your maximum field of view.

    You can test this depending on day and the amount of light.

    My maximum field is about 190 degrees... which means with a 5 display eyefinity setup, i can actually make use of it and see what is happening and it's fantastic.

    However some people gain nothing beyond just the 3 monitors... and quite a few can't see anything beyond just the single monitor (all depending on how close you sit obviously.


    My father is a great case for what would be coined as heavily limited FOV, tunnel vision... all the time.

    I could be standing just off to the right of his center and he'd never notice me at all... he just doesn't see anything. He has to sit back quite a ways from a large panel display otherwise the edges of the screen can't be seen.

    Although is overall vision is quite terrible...

    Having personally sat down and used eyefinity since before it was even brought up (Many years ago.. back in 2005/2006 i was even posting on here suggesting that nvidia/ati get multiple display gaming working dammit.. and showed a few screenshots of a few games that really showed the potential, but they weren't at the best examples.) About the bezel issue as being mostly a non issue if you have good field of view and the ability to let the mind and eye ignore the bezel.

    If you feild of view is to narrow, the bezels do become an issue, specially if they are too thick. The Asus Displays i use are as wide as i could possibily tollerate.... I tried setting up 3x 32" TVs (some time ago prior to their super thin bezels they have now) and the combined width of the bezel in anything exceeding 2"-2.5" was just way to much.... I could tollerate it but it was irritating. Other people however just couldn't stand it.

    Again my father can't stand the eyefinity setup.... however my 2 other sisters can just fine... after about 5-15 minutes.. they don't even notice it to the point that they completely forgot they were watching something on 3 screens rather than just one. And none of us had to sit far back to get that feeling.

    Playing games is even flawless.... fast paced or even strategy overworld views. Nothing like having triple the view of almost everyone else..... Almost like cheating lol.. Playing AOE for example is utterly incredible.. it wasn't design for it.. but in windowed mode allowing one to use up all 3 displays also increases the entire FOV automatically. no dragging and scrolling just to see what is going on and selecting your little guys to do certain things.


    Regarding the new PR bezel crap.... The design is nice, smooth.... I like it, but yeah... advertising that you have no bezel or nearly none when actually the edge of the display is still 10mm further insize..... is total bullshit.
     
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    I've never understood why people don't like noisy PCs, I mean, it's a sign of raw power in a rig, I like it when my rig sounds like a jet, it makes it lethal and sound like a truly bad ass machine.
     
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    nice informative posting.
    I think my father (pops) is the same way.
    glad we agree on the new PR bezel crap.
     
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    I'm not a fan of noisy machines when it's unnecessarily noisey.... I have high tollerances... If we are packing some of the most powerful stuff into a machine, i expect it to be very well cooled which should result in lower fan speeds which thus leads to lower noise.

    I agree though that 4K HD Displays is where it's at and am rather disapointed that 3D displays have been focused on for the past 2 years without any signfiicant advancement in that area while letting 4k get pushed to the backburner due to it (so they can milk 3d for all they can)..

    One of the reasons i preferred eyefinity/multi display wasn't entirely for the wider field of view though.. it was for the higher resolution (3x 16:9 displays in portrait eyefinity is equivilent to a single 3.5k UHD display @ 16:9.5 Ratio)..

    I would dump all 3 displays in a heartbeat to have a single 4K display any day of the week.

    Mind you i'd love to eyefinity 3 or 5 of the 4k displays... but i doubt even a 690 or 7990 is going to be able to lift a finger to drive that. Definitely will be requiring 6gb vram for situations like that.... pushing 24 million pixels with 3 displays.... meanwhile some games still suffer some relatively poor performance @ just around the 2 million.... yeah a 12 fold increase in requirements is going to be a big hit.
     
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    Yeah, I suppose a noisy machine might be nice to show off to retarded people. But on a day to day basis, when you're working, gaming, watching a movie or listening to music, it's damn annoying. And nobody wants to wear headphones all the time (they can never sound as good as decent speakers anyway).

    I'd rather have a fairly tame PC performance-wise and have it silent than have a noisy PC, and especially an unnecessarily noisy one. For example, I'd never use a reference or near-reference GPU or CPU cooler, I'd never use a case with open vents on the top, front or side, and I'd never mount HDDs straight onto the metal of the case.

    I relax some of those rules when building PCs for others (or advising them on building their own) if they say they don't care about noise, but in my experience once people know what it's like to have a PC with decent hardware, typically the next thing they want to know is how to make it silent.
     
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    I guess I see where you guys are coming from, I wouldn't want a PC that's unnecessarily noisy.
     
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    the Coolermaster 690 II Advanced USB 3.0 rev 2 cases have basically vents on all 6 sides.... larges one..

    however it is by far if not the only case in which it almost 100% silent. Short of finding a case that simply has ZERO moving parts/fans in it.... it's hard to find a comparible case that can house a lot of muscle and still be silent.

    One of the compliments i've received is all the machines i've sold since the 690 II launched was the fact that you honestly really cannot hear the machine from when it is off to when it's on.... some people have made the mistake of accidently shutting down the systems due to thinking it was off. (mind you the front led helps when it's on to notice). And that's with a Stock intel heatsink which isn't exactly a stellar product.
     
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    I'm feeling more like as long as displays keep getting bigger and with higher resolutions it will become less practical to have a well working desktop setup for triple monitor gaming. If setting one up today I would look for monitors in the 23" range tops, but am more interested in something like a high res 27" for general use. (talking strictly desktop setups) Those extra wide monitors could actually be something and whenever OLED finally kicks off mainstream we can have big monitors with a very slight inwards curve to them without that making them much more expensive.
     
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    yeah oled.... where no backlight is required.... i saw the ultrawide curved displays which basically is a single monitor without the need for triple screens... allowing for a perfect "roll" on the curve.

    Shit they can make right angles with oled displays. paper thin and nearly entirely bezeless too.

    Display supporting the bandwidths and data requirements needed to run a single display like that off a single cable..... would be ideal.

    If they made a 11520x2160p Display... OR a 6480x3840 .... it'd be gaud damn fantastic.

    I can't wait to see oled finally make it's full debute...
     

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