BFG & Zotac GeForce GTX 295 & 285 @ DH

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  1. HardwareHeaven

    HardwareHeaven Administrator Staff Member

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    I understand and actually agree. I think most intelligent enthusiasts will adjust their fans to help cool on 4870 cards. The only issue is as Stuart said, we need to report figures "out of the box" with their default (recommended) settings. It has been an issue with the ATI boards for a while to be fair, especially the X2 card.
     
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    Great review guys! Well worth the wait. I wonder if ATI can take the top spot when their next lineup is released.
     
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    kris23 Going Insane.....

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    Amazing review.... thank you very much Stuart and Allan for your hard work.

    looks like i know what im going to get now on my bday, amazing cards...
     
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    I too don't like the high temp of the ATI cards, but yes, that is more about crappy fan settings on part of ATI IMO.

    As for the graphics cards in the tests, it feels the 285 to be a better investment than the 295, at least to me. Together with the 4870X2, they feel to me the better choices. I am not saying they are the best performers in the tests, just what it feels to me to be the best choice.
     
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    Excellent review. I love fraps runs. However, it would be nice to see a few benchmarks using say an E8400 @ 3.0Ghz and 4.4Ghz using 1680 x 1050 resolutions. :D
     
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    This seems like a somewhat misleading statement. The 4870x2 currently occupies a pricepoint that none of the other cards really come close to (basing this off the current prices on the egg). The only things that come close are a single 285 or 2x280's ($350 and $570 after MIR's respectfully).
     
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    I am not really sure what you mean?

    Skulltrail was never a regular test system on DH, and even though we have one here it is never used in mass market reviews as very few people have one. I have covered skulltrail a few times before (I was the first one to get SLIx3 working last year too) and there really is nothing much else we can do with it.

    As for comparing it to i7. the i7 is faster clock per clock (with one cpu) as obviously the Qx9775s in Skulltrail are basically just QX9770s which have dual+ support. As a CPU powerhouse however skulltrail is faster than any I7 out there if the applications use both cpus...
     
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    I'm quite confident that any kind of decent comparison would show the Nvidia card to be the best performer in a price range, for example...

    4870 X2s run from $449, right up to $494 (stock models) or the overclocked model at $505. The 295 is $499.

    If I was to pick the most comparable X2 it would probably be the Asus at $479 (after discounts - choosing this as it is the only one which has a cooler which rivals the 295) It is only $20 of the 295. That, and the overclocked model which is more expensive than the Geforce both loose out in performance.

    Prices vary so much that it is very easy to make an argument one way or the other, but if we take products which as as close in spec as possible (fans, heat, bundles etc) there really is no competition.

    It also has to be said though that the test you are referring to really isn't too much of an issue... who wins/looses is less relevant because all GTX users would be using PhysX effects anyway, seeing the other set of performance and enjoying a much more impressive gaming experience.
     
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    i do not understand the argument you are trying to make here, the 4870X2 and GTX 295 are actually very close in price.

    Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100251SR Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB 512-bit (256-bit x 2) GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards
    $449

    Newegg.com - EVGA 017-P3-1291-AR GeForce GTX 295 1792MB 896 (448 x 2)-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards
    $505

    with the 285 being $350 as you said
    Newegg.com - XFX GX285NZDFF GeForce GTX 285 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

    and the dual 280s going to $620 and with the use of rebate, goes down to $600 (sorry limit 1 per household)
    Newegg.com - EVGA 01G-P3-1280-AR GeForce GTX 280 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

    you are talking about the GTX 295 which is only around $509 for most brands and is just slightly higher in price compared to the 4870X2 at $449 and making its cost out to be closer to $600 by comparing it to the dual 280s which is completely false as shown above.

    nvidia has pretty much won the high end to extreme range this time around....

    GTX295>4870X2
    GTX285<4850X2 (unofficial ATi card)
    GTX260 Core 216>4870 512/1024
    9800GTX+ = 4850
    9800GT<4830
     
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    All the same, it'd be very interesting to see a V8 vs Skulltrail vs X58 comparison. I'd expect the X58 to walk away with the gaming tests, and the V8 to loose pretty much everything, but it'd be interesting nevertheless.
     
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    Got the clue , btw Is there any I7 lab tops out there ?
     
  13. sammorris

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    This benchmark is absolutely outstanding. Thanks go to everyone who contributed to it.
    I know this is a GTX295/285 discussion thread, but it's only the second comprehensive bench suite I have seen regarding HD4870X2 Crossfire X - which I have just ordered (Yes Allan, intending to only use one GPU, I've now gone for four haha). I chose a Zalman ZM850-HP for its quiet noise level, and believe that 850W from a solid unit like that should be enough to power the system. My HX 520W has handled the single HD4870X2 and 3.6Ghz Q9550 admirably, in the face of all the people who said it wouldn't be possible, I hope the Zalman impresses to the same extent.

    A few questions though, how do you guys get those frames in Mirrors Edge? I like the game but it runs like poop on my system. At 2560x1600 4xAA, PhysX off of course, with my X2, I get around 17-20fps with Catalyst A.I. disabled, and 30 ish with it enabled, but horrible macrostutter (renamed exe to Oblivion.exe as per someone else's thread - before this I saw no performance boost at all).
    Lots of people online have complained, lots more people have said it runs beautifully - very confused. Catalyst 9.1, Vista x64 (tried XP with 8.12 too, no change)
     
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    You did a lot of work, and its a great review. One thing I have wondered all along is how does the gtx 295 compare in the same benchies as the
    9800 gx2 ? I would like to see some numbers on that. Is the 295 really that much more of a card than the 9800 gx2? They both do quad core. Newegg doesnt even sell the 9800 anymore. I believe Nvidia doesnt make the same core anymore because the 2 are really close in comparison. Think that is possible? I am curious on this.
     
  15. sammorris

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    The 9800GX2 performs very similarly to the GTX280 singular, in most of the benchmarks I've seen, sometimes slightly above, sometimes slightly below. The GTX295 is a much more powerful card.
     
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    When I made my reply I sorted the cards by cheapest card and factored in any available vendor rebates the egg had to offer. This places the x2 at the ~400 price point and the ~500 dollar price point. At the time I posted the closest nvidia solution I could find was a gtx285 (380) in terms of price. Sorry for not clarifying.
     
  17. Cardnyl

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    Yea I am still not sure why folks quote these insanely huge PSU requirements for these cards. Anyone with a 20 dollar power meter can see that most high end systems barely crack 3-400 watts at the plug. Factoring efficiency (80-85% of that value) and its clear as day that the psu is barely being taxed for what its rated for. I am still using my 520HX and will continue to do so for sometime to come.
     
  18. kman225

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    x58 all the way!
     
  19. sammorris

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    It amazes me when people buy Kilowatt power supplies for things like a single GTX280.
    I was drawing 480W or so at the wall with my 3.85Ghz Q9550 and HD4870X2, factoring in DC efficiency I had plenty of headroom with a 520W PSU. Likewise, I have only purchased an 850 to power two X2s, where most would probably look for 1500W.

    For those interested, I fixed Mirrors Edge on the X2, by not running Fraps. Amazingly, my frame rate doubles and the macrostutter disappears when Fraps is closed. The mind boggles.
     
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