Building my little bro a new PC on November 30th, suggestions

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  1. Calliers

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    Ok, I'm building my little bro a new gaming PC this coming November 30th (Cyber Monday) and so far this is what I have picked out (all prices are in Canadian dollars):

    - Cooler Master MasterBox MB510L ATX Mid-Tower w/ Front Carbon Texture: $74.99
    - ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4S AM4 AMD X570 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard: 209.99
    - Seasonic FOCUS PX-850, 850W 80+ Platinum Full-Modular: $229.99
    - Crucial P1 2TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe Internal SSD, up to 2000 MB/s - CT2000P1SSD8: $294.99
    - Patriot Viper 4 Blackout Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000): $321.99
    - LG Ultragear 27GL850-B 27" Quad HD 2560 x 1440 2K 1ms (GTG) 144Hz 2xHDMI DisplayPort USB 3.0 Hub AMD FreeSync NVIDIA G-Sync Compatible HDR 10 Nano Backlit LED IPS Gaming Monitor: $699.99
    - AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Matisse 8-Core 3.6 GHz Socket AM4 65W 100-100000071BOX Desktop Processor: $434.99
    - Corsair Gaming K70 RAPIDFIRE Mechanical Keyboard, Backlit Red LED, Cherry MX Speed: $184.55
    - Corsair HARPOON RGB PRO FPS / MOBA Gaming Mouse, Black, Backlit RGB LED, 12000 dpi, Optical: $49.99
    - ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER Triple Fan 8GB GDDR6 256-bit 15.5 Gbps Gaming Graphics Card: $972.11

    Grand total: $3562.70

    Now before you say anything, the graphics card is just a place holder for either the RTX 3060, RTX 3060 TI or RTX 3070. Possibly the RTX 3080 - the RTX 3080 being out of stock right now, which is one of the reasons we're also waiting, but also because on Cyber Monday he should get some nice savings. There you go, have at her, I'm sure pricing will change over time, but that is the current setup, I will edit this post to reflect future changes in price and kit as suggestions come in and things change over at newegg.ca (from where everything is sourced) - I'd like to get everything from one place if I can.

    Thanks in advance for all the replies!!!

    (Also he wants a Geforce card, and the Crucial SSD was chosen by him, he likes the brand).

    Edit: One good thing is that he doesn't care much for RGB so that is one nice thing that can shave off some of the cost, he would like it to be mostly black and red if possible too.

    Edit 2: Price we're gunning for is ~$3500 CAD.
     
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    Judas Obvious Closet Brony Pony

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    October 8th we get information on Zen 3 (aka currently rumoured and mostly proven to be 5000 series cpus). The current leaked results show a 5000 series 12 core 24 thread cpu kicking zen 2's (3900x) ass and even whipping intel's ass. Single core performance is anywhere from 15-30% faster then zen 2 and multi-core is 10-20% as well.

    If that pans out, there is good reason to believe that the lets say 5800x or 5700x will be 8 core 16 thread and decimate the prior generation as well.

    This would be best to wait for.
     
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    Yes I was considering this as well, although, I should have included that price is an issue here, I don't think my little bro wants to spend much over $3500. We'll see.
     
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    Trusteft HH's Asteroids' Dominator

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    Yes what Judas said. Even if you don't go for the new stuff, the old might get discounted because of them and manage to get the above cheaper, if nothing else.
     
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    RAM speed... Ryzen loves fast RAM. Is there really a need for 64GB? I'd even say 32GB is overkill... either way you really should be looking at 3600 Mhz

    QB
     
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    Trusteft HH's Asteroids' Dominator

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    32GB is not overkill because 16GB can be not enough. No not enough to run a game, but not enough to actually hurt performance.
    24GB would be enough, but who buys 24GB?
     
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    It's not about hurting performance... it's about wasting money. If this is just a gaming rig, 16GB is more than enough... I can see 32GB being an okay move if one is looking towards some far off future need in gaming.

    And if there is going to be some content creation done on this PC, then yes more RAM... but even then 64GB is way over the top unless we are talking 4k and above material.

    The money saved from going from 64 to 32 can either be dumped back into the GPU or a more feature rich MB or even a better case with more airflow... But if there is no cost saving going from 64GB 3000 to 32GB 3600 the performance boost is substantial and a far more efficient use of the $$

    QB
     
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    Trusteft HH's Asteroids' Dominator

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    I didn't say he should get 64GB. I said going for 32GB is not overkill and I stand by it. He is not going to need 32GB for gaming, for the moment, but he can definitely use over 16GB of RAM as there are games which already push that limit.
    64GB no. No games will require that for a good number of years. Unless something changes dramatically that is.
     
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    Yeah, I'll go for 32GB of faster RAM, he was the one who wanted 64GB.
     
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    this is no longer factually true. About 2 years ago there were already a few games pushing 12-14GB usage of physical memory, if you venture into the realms of lets say city skylines or DCS or a number of other games, 16gb is insufficient. In fact there are now a few games that will consume well into the 26GB range in order to run comfortably, anything less and performance degradation occurs.

    I will however agree, 32gb is plenty sufficient for a modern machine, 3600mhz of 32gb (2x16gb) is arguably a great deal now anyways.
     
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    I'll be needing to get 32GB (2x16GB) memory at a sufficient speed for my own machine soon as well.
     
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    Probably this thread is asleep. How would 64 fair with VMs I'm planning to do quite a bit of VM work on the rig I am building. & What are the power requirements too would a 750 suffice? Amd hold your horses guys , I am out of my element. Last good PC o had was 10 years ago.

    I will most likely build the rig up slowly as I only have 1500 budget to build on the tower first.
     
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    4x16GB modules are certainly useful for VMs these days.

    Though in your situation, i'd probably recommend getting 2x32GB modules.... this leaves you ample room in the future.
     
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    You guys might want an update on what happened with this build, my little bro decided that he doesn't want a new gaming PC after all at this time as he is busier with work than ever before currently and doesn't have that much time to game. Also he just moved to a new location and is trying to get out more and make new friends. So we'll revisit this at a later date when he has more spare time on his hands. :)

    Thank you everyone for your input nonetheless. As always HH never fails to impress.
     
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    So, turns out my little bro is really picky lol. He just bought today (as he doesn't want to drive all the way here to pick up his new rig):

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    Alienware Aurora R10 Ryzen™ Edition

    Specs:
    - AMD Ryzen™ 7 3700X (8-Core, 32MB L3 Cache, Max Boost Clock of 4.4GHz)
    - NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3080 10GB GDDR6X
    - 16GB HyperX™ FURY DDR4 XMP at 3400MHz; up to 64GB (additional memory sold separately)
    - Dark Side of the Moon chassis with Low-Profile Smart Cooling CPU Heatsink and 1000W Power Supply
    - 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    - Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 (2x2) and Bluetooth 5.0
    - 1 Year Hardware Warranty with Onsite/In-Home Service After Remote Diagnosis

    He's going to get this gaming chair and table tomorrow at Best Buy if he can:

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    Ugh... I hope that is 2x8 RAM and not 1x16... Hopefully XMP is also enabled in BIOS, lot's of SI's don't do that... and I highly doubt the PSU in that thing is even close to being adequate; sure it says 1000W, but... So many better companies out there doing pre-builds, this makes me sad :(

    QB
     
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    I thought Alienware was not a bad company? I thought companies like CyberPower PC skimped on quality parts.
     
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    Trusteft HH's Asteroids' Dominator

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    I don't blame him. I guess he wanted to get a PC this century. :p
     
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    @QB71 Plus we couldn't find anyone else selling the RTX 3080 with their parts except for Origin PC and they were mondo expensive, as well as Corsair and NZXT, just too expensive compared to Alienware.
     
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    Trusteft HH's Asteroids' Dominator

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    Alienware isn't as bad as they used to be. Better construction now they are owned by Dell. Of course I don't like Dell, but whatever.
    Good luck.
     
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