Can someone put together a pc build for me for 4500usd?

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  1. overclockmylife

    overclockmylife New Member

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    No monitor, keyboard, mouse, headset et cetera just the computer.

    I'd like to be able to game like a boss with 360 fps and also video edit like crazy. For example I'll be playing Skyrim, while running a 5-6 virtual machines, and rendering two-two hours videos, all at the same time, the first day I get it.

    I'd like to overclock it as much as possible with as much ghz as possible and have a nice cooling system.

    Thanks, I appreciate the assistance !
     
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    Judas Obvious Closet Brony Pony

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    That is a massive budget....

    You'd easily be able to jump straight into a Intel socket 2011

    4x8gb of ram should be killer... and likely still be able to afford 2x SSDs in raid 0 as well as 3x WD reds 3TB drives in raid 5 not to mention bluray reader/writer. Throw in some of the most powerful GPUs... might even have cash to spare for a 2x video card solution.

    Nice big Corsair 1000watt or better PSU that is gold rated.. lol

    Find a case big enough to accomidate it all with good cooling/mangement and your pretty well set.
     
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    overclockmylife New Member

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    overclockmylife New Member

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    Or do you have something better in mind?
     
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    blibbax nahm8

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    On that budget, you'd be much better off with one PC for the virtual machines and encoding, and another for gaming.

    The rendering/VM system could be based around an FX-8320, or some Opterons, depending on how much of the budget you want to give it. The gaming PC could be based around a 3570K.

    What resolution do you play at?
     
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    overclockmylife New Member

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    I like to play everything on high detail on my asus 27" 2560x1440 monitor
     
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    overclockmylife New Member

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    This is another build

    cpu Intel Core i7 3930K 6 Core 12MB 3.2GHZ Hyperthreading Unlocked LGA2011 Processor No HSF ~ $550 f/s

    hsf Antec Kuhler H2O 920 Liquid CPU Cooling System LGA1155/1156/1366 AM2/AM3/AM3/FM1+ 2400RPM ~ $75 f/s

    pcb Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 ATX LGA2011 X79 DDR3 4PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 PCI SLI SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard ~ $259 f/s

    ram Mushkin Enhanced Blackline Frostbyte PC3-12800 32GB [4X8GB] DDR3-1600 9-9-9-24 1.5V Memory RAM ~ $202 f/s

    ssd Samsung 830 Series 256GB 2.5IN SATA3 MCX Solid State Disk Flash Drive SSD [ MZ-7PC256B/WW ] ~ $200 f/s

    hdd Western Digital Red 3TB SATA3 64MB Cache 3.5IN Internal Hard Disk Drive HDD ~ $164 f/s

    psu OCZ Z-SERIES 1000W 80+ Gold Certified 24PIN ATX 83A 12V Afc Modular Power Supply W/ 135mm Fan ~ $150 f/s

    atx Silverstone Temjin TJ04B-EW Black ATX Case 4X5.25 9X3.5 6X2.5INT With HDD Cooler No PS W/WINDOW ~ $160-$20MIR = $140 f/s

    gpu Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 1.0GHZ OC 3GB 5.8GHZ GDDR5 CrossFireX DVI HDMI 2xMini DP PCI-E Video Card ~ $460 f/s

    gpu Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 1.0GHZ OC 3GB 5.8GHZ GDDR5 CrossFireX DVI HDMI 2xMini DP PCI-E Video Card ~ $460 f/s

    odd ASUS BW-12B1ST Blu-Ray Writer 12X BD-R 16X DVD+R SATA Black Retail ~ $76 f/s

    OS Microsoft Windows 8 Pro 64Bit Full Version English OEM ~ $155 f/s

    mon Yamkasi catLeap 2560x1440 LED S-IPS Quad HD monitor ~ $529

    Total ~ $3,420

    That someone made me on another forum
     
  8. blibbax

    blibbax nahm8

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    Gaming PC: <$1900
    http://pcpartpicker.com/p/m3Ck

    VM/Encoding PC: <$2600
    [​IMG]

    The gaming PC will perform as well or better than your build above, even when that build isn't running VMs.

    The VM PC will absolutely crush any single-CPU PC in non-gaming workloads. At least twice the performance.

    I haven't included Windows licenses or optical drives, as I assume you already have those things or don't need them. In any case, they're not that expensive.

    If you want to save money on either of my builds, you could look at:

    • Downgrading the SSDs
    • Buying only one HDD for the Opteron PC
    • Buying only one Opteron to start with
    • Finding a cheaper branded PSU with two 8-pin CPU connections than the HX1050
    • Buying a Geforce 210 instead of the Geforce 640
    • Buying a cheaper cooler than the H100
    I'm happy to advise you on any of that stuff.
     
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  9. Takaharu

    Takaharu Unus offa, unus iuguolo

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    Blibb - you have two CPUs for a dual-socket motherboard there but only one CPU cooler.

    Personally, I prefer the ability to do everything from one system (as you could probably tell).
    You could just copy my spec and replace the CPU cooler with a H100 :)
     
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    blibbax nahm8

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    Yeah, my bad.

    OP: if you do decide you want to go this way, I'll be happy to work out a more polished build for you.

    Not only will the Opterons double the 3930k's performance in VMs and encoding, they won't cause any slow down on the gaming PC in the process.

    If you would rather use one PC for such a heavy workload, I feel like a second hand SR2 with two second hand hex-core LGA1366 Xeons would be the way to go.
     
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    overclockmylife New Member

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    Well I'd prefer to use only one computer so I'd appreciate it if you built me a setup for just one, too. Am I understanding this correctly, though? Even if I build one computer with a xeon cpu I wont have as much performance as the gaming pc you built, if I us e another computer to do the vm stuff?

    Also, I see you picked an i5 cpu on the gaming computer, instead of an i7. Is an i5 quad core powerful enough to do anything and everything gaming? I thought I'd need at least an i7 dual core, but thought I'd be missing out if I didn't have an i7 six core.
     
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    blibbax nahm8

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    There are very few games that take advantage of more than 4 logical cores, and in any case a 3570K will crush any game out there.

    An Intel hex-core i7 running 6 VMs and a movie encode would be compromised for gaming imo.

    Intel Xeon E5s are another option, but then you're blowing at least $2000 on CPUs, and they won't game as well as an oveclocked 3570K.

    If you insist on using one PC for everything, here's my recommended build:

    [​IMG]

    It makes use of slightly older CPU technology, but Xeon E5*** are too expensive, and Opterons suck for gaming. Plus, this is pretty much the only overclockable dual-processor platform out there.

    EDIT: I'm not sure that case has room for the SR-2. Here's a list of cases that are guaranteed to, I imagine there are a few others by now, too.
     
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  13. caqde

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    Well the thing with gaming is that very few games use more than 2 cores and even fewer use more than 4 cores. So more cores and gaming is kinda useless. But with your usage especially given how many VM's you are wanting to run. You might have issues gaming especially if all of those VM's are doing something in the background. I doubt even the fastest computer on the market could do everything listed and still be able to game at decent framerates. Video encoding/rendering is known for taking up all of a systems CPU resources and leaving nothing behind. Virtual machines can use large amounts of memory depending on how much you want them to have. With gaming you would want 2-4 Free Cpu cores and about 4-6GB of free memory.

    5-6 VM's could take anywhere from 2.5GB-12GB of memory (figuring 512MB - 2GB of memory each) + unknown CPU usage depending on what they are doing if they are all running. Video Encoding could use about 1-2GB+ of memory for each video along with every CPU core for processing or it could use part of the GPU if you are using GPU accelerated encoding. And of course then you have the game you are playing.
     
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    fact is that gaming and video encoding/rendering are 2 sides of a coin really. A rig aimed at gaming, will do video rendering but not as well as a rig aimed for that particular goal and visa versa. Throw in the fact you want to game AND do rendering at the same time, the gaming performance is going to take a considerable hit.

    Considering the huge budget you've got to play with, I would build two machines that are both aimed at their particular goal. You will get much better performance in both area, like blib explained,
     
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    malmental System Builder > Hardware Specialist

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    this thread gave me a headache...
     
  16. najiro

    najiro blah blah expert

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    This is a nice build except for the PSU. Why?
    1) OCZ is not really top-notch in making power supplies. You'd be better off with an Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, Enermax, Be Quiet or Super Flower.

    this one is nice:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151105

    Relative performance of top rated PSUs today
    http://tpucdn.com/reviews/beQuiet/DarkPowerProP10_850W/images/perf.gif

    2) OCZ as a company is in trouble. Western digital and seagate is actually looking to buy the company. I don't want to post multiple links, might make me look like a spammer. Just google "OCZ forbes" and you'll see the news about them.
     
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    blibbax nahm8

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    As already explained by me and others, I do not think this build is suitable for the task at hand. If you're going to contradict that, you need to back it up.

    I'd agree that OCZ aren't the best place to go necessarily, but remember that they do own PC Power & Cooling, who are one of the best manufacturers.

    I wouldn't bother with that techpowerup graph - it's highly arbitrary. For PSU reviews, Jonnyguru or bust.
     
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    overclockmylife New Member

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    I don't anyones been more of a help than you, honestly thank you.

    I think I'm coming close to actually purchasing everything.

    Here's something I put together, I picked the i7 only because at the end I noticed that my total was still around 1500 and it was only 100 dollars more but can you just tell me what you think about this?

    Intel 3770K - 319
    Asus P8Z77-V LE - 159.99
    Crucial M4 256GB - 199.99
    Corsair 16GB 1600mhz memory - 78.99
    Samsung EcoGreen 2TB F4 - 129.99
    AMD 7970 - 400-450
    Coolermaster Hyper 212+ CPU cooler - 29.99
    Seasonic x850 PSU - 169.99
    Windows 7 - 100
    Case of your choice - TBD
    DVD Drive - cheap

    It costs less than the rig you made so what will be losing that your computer has? I just wanted to build something myself to see what others thought about since I've done this without a configuration option. some things are pretty random, like the hard drive, and I noticed a lot of people mentioned these companies, like seasonic, so the brand and price is what I used to pick everything.
     
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    blibbax nahm8

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    You're welcome.

    Perhaps in return, you could post picks when you actually build these behemoths :D

    The main thing that rig's losing that mine has are:

    • A second 7970. 2-card crossfire scales pretty well, so I think this is well worth including.
    • H100. The 3770K won't overclock as far with the cooler you have selected as the 3570K would with the H100, so gaming performance might take a slight hit from that.
    You also end up with a slightly more expensive motherboard for no obvious advantage.

    The build you propose would be fine, but I stand by my original recommendations - except that, as Takaharu pointed out, my AMD Opteron based build needed an additional CPU cooler.

    If you want to few up a few hundred dollars for Windows installations or another monitor, let me know, and I'll happily tweak the builds to suit.

    I strongly recommend shopping around for parts, btw.
     
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    overclockmylife New Member

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    Do you mean buying everything in the store?

    Your gaming build is probably what Im gonna go for then. You're sure the case will fit the cooling system and everything?
     

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