Custom Fxbus Prolog Epilog for Musicians

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  1. TravelRec.

    TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions

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    Hi!

    Not tested yet (just read this here), but very impressed of your quick feedback and changing of eplg.
    I will send a comment as soon as possible (when browsed this forum to the end ;) ).

    With kind regards!

    TravelRec :)
     
  2. TravelRec.

    TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions

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    So...

    ASIO works perfect - no problems. Really GREAT :D ! Eplt works also, but not so perfect... If out 1/2 is switched to rear and switched back to none (all others none) then a high frequency beep is to hear. This only changes if any out is swiched to rear again. This seems to be the only issue, all other combinations are working properly.

    Great work anyway!

    CU.

    TravelRec. :)
     
  3. Lex Nahumury

    Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member

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    TravelRec,

    >>ASIO works perfect - no problems. Really GREAT!
    Ok.

    >>Eplt works also, but not so perfect... If out 1/2 is switched to rear and switched back to none
    >> (all others none) then a high frequency beep is to hear.
    >> This only changes if any out is swiched to rear again.
    >> This seems to be the only issue, all other combinations are working properly.

    The high beep is not related to my plugs.
    It occurs on my audigy2 OEM all the time whenever there is NO 'Epilog like'
    plugin loaded to "Shunt" Analog Rear out.
    This doesn't happen on SBlives (10k1) cards!

    You can test this "issue" by simply wiping the whole dsp clear.
    The beep will occure as well. (At least on my card)

    So, Yes, In case you load 'Eplt', but not assign 'Analog Rear', the beep occurs
    and disappears as soon as you re-assign it.

    There is nothing I can do about that other then waiting for Eugene to fix this,
    or write a routine that always 'shunts' Analog output. (not elegant)

    I don't know if this issue occurs on all 10k2 based boards, nore if it does so
    on every Analog output. I think it's Audigy 2 related.

    Thanks for the swift feedback.

    /LeMury
     
  4. Eugene Gavrilov

    Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator

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    >> You can test this "issue" by simply wiping the whole dsp clear.
    >>The beep will occure as well. (At least on my card)

    this is a known issue already discussed elsewhere
    the DSP automatically copies inputs to outputs unless the outputs are explicitly written
    under certain circumstances this causes beeping
    so, the only solution is to -explicitly- initialize the outputs with actual data or with zeros
    (and this is done in the 'original' epilog)

    as for possible solutions of this issue... well...
    probably some additional code reponsible for 'clearing' unused outputs might be required in your eplg plugin

    ==

    btw, any 'official' release dates? :)
    I haven't posted any info about the naming stuff -- please remind me to do that by sending a message to kxdev :)

    /E
     
  5. Lex Nahumury

    Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member

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    >>this is a known issue already discussed elsewhere

    Yes I thought I read about it somewhere, but it doesn't realy bother me personaly so I forgot.

    >>so, the only solution is to -explicitly- initialize the outputs with actual data or with zeros
    >>(and this is done in the 'original' epilog)

    Yes, by simply keeping them 'assigned' to DSP gpr/ micro code. (as far as I can tell from the sources)
    That would be "the easy way out" in this case.

    >>as for possible solutions of this issue... well...
    >>probably some additional code reponsible for 'clearing' unused outputs
    >>might be required in your eplg plugin

    Of course, but preferably not at the expense of dsp resources.
    I.e. an un-used (un-selected) output should not eat up dsp gprs/instructions.


    >>btw, any 'official' release dates?

    You'll be the first to know..(wouldn't be official otherwise, wouldn't it?..:) )


    >>I haven't posted any info about the naming stuff --
    >>please remind me to do that by sending a message to kxdev
    Ok.

    /LeMury
     
  6. Lex Nahumury

    Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member

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    - k2lt plugin -

    Ok, In reply to TravelRec's post and Eugene's notes regarding the audigy2 beep issue,
    and the need for "full" 10k2 output availabilty;

    k2lt
    A 'k2 Lite' version making *all* 10k2 outputs available except ASIO.
    Use this in conjunction with the 'Asio' plugin to have full
    'musicians' output access but using less than half the resources
    of the original Epilog. Hence; 'k2 lite'.

    So these plugs should accomodate 'Output and ASIO hungry' kX users
    with the least possable dsp resource usage.

    All 7x2 outputs are 'on the fly' Selectable to avoid re-routing and 'dsp spageti'.
    Hence; You can make your own setups on how the outputs are ordered.
    To solve the "beep" issue, all outputs remain assigned.
    Thus, selecting/changing an output slot will automaticly swap the output slot that
    was firts occupied. (Sounds complicated in words..duh)

    *notes:
    - Primarly meant for 10k2 based boards.
    (It will work on 10k1, but NO phase correction on 'Rear Out')
    - All 'output/rec Levels' should be Ok. (plz check)

    http://members.home.nl/nahutec/kxplugins/k2lt_asio.zip

    Again;I have no time to test it extensivly, but it should work fine.

    /LeMury

    ****************** READ THIS *********************
    The presented plugins are NOT meant as replacements for the
    original Fxbus, Prolog and Epilog. They remain experimental
    untill official notice and are meant as 'supplemental' plugins.
    By using these plugins you will loose most *Generic* functions!!
    In simple words;
    If you are a Gamer/DvD-er/Consumer, a very Low-Tech musician,
    or otherwise 'kX technicaly' impaired, use the originals!
    **************************************************
     
  7. drshader

    drshader New Member

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    Hi LeMury!

    For me it worx! More and more tunable dsp space!

    More and more fine little plugs... They must have their own folder
    in the dsp menu (or option to sort plugs as you need)!

    And what about single .kxl file for all your plugins, as it did in UFX?
    May be function to install or not packets (eg. "EQ's",
    "LeMury's Plugs", "APS", "UFX Pack" and so on) will be useful?
    This question probably for Eugene...
     
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  8. Daniel Drummond

    Daniel Drummond New Member

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    Yep, they're working fine. I agree that having a separate folder for them in the dsp menu would be cool. LeMury has become into a programming machine powered by duracell batteries...
     
  9. TravelRec.

    TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions

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    Hi!

    Okay, downloaded now, testing will follow.
    Only want to say - 10k2 -> yes, Audigy 2 ->no, wipe DSP clear and beep -> no
    I´ll be back with latest news in 60 minutes!

    Thanks now!

    TravelRec. :)

    P.S.: Daniel, I try to make it visual: LeMury - sitting on his desktop - 12 fingers on the smoking keys and a duracell-D-cell in his back... Long live the duracell!!! No, LeMury, it´s just a joke :) !
     
  10. Lex Nahumury

    Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member

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    >>And what about single .kxl file for all your plugins, as it did in UFX?
    >>May be function to install or not packets (eg. "EQ's",
    >>"LeMury's Plugs", "APS", "UFX Pack" and so on) will be useful?

    No, it is not my intention to start a separate Third-party package like UFX.
    Wheter or not (and how and when) these 'add ons' are to be bundled with kX Package,
    is up to Eugene and me to decide.

    Currently, all the released plugins are still *experimental* (that is what this thread is for),
    and it's development progress relies on user feedback.

    /LeMury
     
  11. Lex Nahumury

    Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member

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    Shall I turn my Web-Cam on..?..:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ;) ;)
     
  12. TravelRec.

    TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions

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    Oh nooo!

    Please don´t do this :rofl: . Okay, all your plugs are running very fine! No problems, no beeping, nothing but clear sound. Good work!!! And much more space in DSP. You can be very proud, if you want :w00t: . I´m very interested about what comes next...

    With kind regards!

    TravelRec. :)
     
  13. Lex Nahumury

    Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member

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    >>No problems, no beeping, nothing but clear sound
    Ok.

    TravelRec, Daniel, drshader,

    ...thanks for the feedback.

    /LeMury
     
  14. Eugene Gavrilov

    Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator

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    >> Wheter or not (and how and when) these 'add ons' are to be bundled with kX Package,
    >> is up to Eugene and me to decide.

    I'd suggest they are the part of the main package :)

    >> Currently, all the released plugins are still *experimental* (that is what this thread is for),
    >> and it's development progress relies on user feedback.

    I suggest we include the plugins in 3536 release (not the one I announce tonight -- but the next one :))
    I will need to review the source code as soon as I receive it
    the plugins might require certain 'update' related to the new 3536 API changes ('get_description' function)

    /E
     
  15. TravelRec.

    TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions

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    Hi ho!

    Tested the plugins src / k2lt / asio with the new 3536 drivers ... and...?!?

    NO PROBLEMS so far... :D !

    Best wishes!

    TravelRec. :)
     
  16. Lex Nahumury

    Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member

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    >>I'd suggest they are the part of the main package

    Agreed.


    >>I suggest we include the plugins in 3536 release (not the one I announce tonight --
    >>but the next one )

    Good idea, there's no rush. I still have to evaluate what is usefull to users and what not,
    and we have to sort out the labeling stuff (on kxdev).

    /LeMury
     
  17. NightBreed

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    Hello everyone

    Finaly had a chance to use the plugins. And they work perfectly with the 3536 release of KX Drivers. I love the straight forward hookups and connecting instruments are alot quicker. Thanks for hard work LeMury, great plugins.

    peace all
     
  18. Aykroyd

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    Just a quick suggestion which can be also a general one.
    Can be a "sticky" thread with download address and description for this plugin?
    For many users it can be a bit painful to "dig" 8 pages thread to find which relase is the newest.


    Also one question (maybe implied by above reason)-inside is a source with two inputs but you've posted a link to the picture with 8 inputs-have I missed something?

    Anyway-GREAT thx for your excellent job mate :)
     
  19. Daniel Drummond

    Daniel Drummond New Member

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    Akroyd, as you can read in LeMury's and Eugene's posts, this effects will soon be integrated into kx drivers package. Also, reading all the posts makes users understand how the plugins work better, possible problems and fixes etc, avoiding lots of repetitive questions.
     
  20. HunterZ

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    I *love* the k2lt plugin, except that it doesn't provide the Master and Analog Outs sliders in the Mixer. I can do without the Master slider, but I use the Analog Outs sliders to balance my left and right front speakers (I'm using a 2.1 setup). My external analog amplifier conected to my sound card doesn't have a balance knob/slider, so I have to do it in the software mixer.

    Well, I guess I could set the levels on my hardware graphic equalizer higher on the channel of the quiter speaker...
     

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