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Discussion in 'NVIDIA Graphics Cards' started by SFOSOK, Sep 1, 2005.

  1. The_Neon_Cowboy

    The_Neon_Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    rumor has been cross fire will probubly work best in ATI chipsets.
    But it has never been claerified or verfied which chipsets it will work
    in. Thught there is at lest one new intel chipset gareteed to work

    Best guess it will work in current Intel/Nvidia SLI & dual PCIe boards
    too but the info is all under wraps. Of couse the ati cards will run better
    on the ati chipsets.

    But far as thier conserned they would od course love you to by an
    ATI MB and ATI video card. Just as NV would like you to buy a NV MB
    and NV video card.

    So what they will run on is still unkown, offically and unoffically
    . As in it may work in a chipset but not be offically supported or
    something who knows. We are getting two far into "unkowns"
     
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  2. brutusmaximus

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    Yes, but I didnt say you wouldnt need a specialised motherboard from ATI for crossfire, however I havent heard it WONT work with nvidia cards. Of course I doubt it would support SLI but it is technically quite feasible it will support a single slot nvidia solution......
     
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    neon, as of right now, the only multi gpu capable chipset from intel is going to be a sli solution. if you have found something else please show me as i am truly curious. also means ati has been taking care of business in the background.
    sli & crossfire are mutually exclusive at this time. until somebody else produces a chipset that supports it(if it is even mildly sucessful they will) ati mbs are your only bet. which makes it very unattractive imo.
     
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    wh ywould you buy one of those boards except for crossfire? of course they will support single nv gpu. who said they would not? all i have ever said is that ot have crossfire initially(at this point) you will have to buy a mb with a new untested chipset. a poor investment imo.
     
  5. SFOSOK

    SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong

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    Is it better to buy the EVGA 7800GTX (the one that is fastest out on the market) or should I go with something else and change the colling system?
     
  6. Bowen

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    Well I was going to buy a G70 today until I read that. Now that I know there will be a 24 pipe and 32 pipe Radeon X1800, I'll wait because I believe even the 16 pipe version will be slightly faster than the 7800 GTX. You know the 24 and 32 pipe versions are!

    Also, the R520 (Radeon X1800) will work in nVidia or Intel platforms just fine. That is for a single card solution. If your looking to run a SLi like setup, then yeah, you'll need an ATi Crossfire mobo to do that. I suggest waiting because wouldn't you be a little ticked to find out that you paid between $500 and $600 for a 7800 GTX and then the X1800 comes out at the same price (or cheaper) and it's 15 to 25% faster. I know I would and that's why I'm waiting. After all, it's only 3 more weeks until it supposed to come out.

    That said, all this is still a rumor because there has been no official word from ATi themselves but I believe this is true. You also need to keep in mind that nVidia cancelled the "Ultra" version that had planned on releasing. I originally thought they did this because they didn't see the R520 as a real threat, but now after seeing some of the specs of the R520 I think they did it because they knew it would be a waste of time. The R520 is more powerful than the intended Ultra version.

    If you don't want to wait then that's fine. I can't say I wouldn't recommend the G70 because it's a very good card, it's just that I think the R520 will be a better card. Either way you go, you can't go wrong. :)
     
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    the xfx gives you the same perf for less. if you want the fastest, then you want this - http://www.asus.com.tw/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=6&l3=198&model=589&modelmenu=1 .

    me, i would save myself a $100+ & go with a gt vers & try for a gtx oc.
     
  8. Bowen

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    One major reason I would go with eVGA is because they have a lifetime warranty. BFG has this too but eVGA's a little broader in terms of coverage. eVGA's is core is clocked at 450MHz. They also have a KO edition that's clocked at 490MHz but I don't think it's worth $600 for 40 more MHz that you could probably get yourself.
     
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    SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong

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    What about XFX?
     
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    I'm sorry....do they have a lifetime warranty too? If so they yeah...go for XFX. To me the warranty is the most important. Most cards will O/C well anyway. When the R520 does come out, I'll be looking for two things. First availability because it might not be so hot with the 24 and especially the 32 pipe cards and then I'll look at the warranty.



    One thing I do like about XFX is that they give you a game controller which I think rox! Also in the September issue of Maximum PC, they reviewed an XFX GeForce 7800 GTX card on pg. 70 and they gave it a 10 Kick*ss award which is their highest honor. So yeah, it's a fine card too.
     
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    well yeah, I'm wondering if I sould replace the stock cooler with Zalmans best graphix card Air cooler, I've seen it, but I dunno still about it.
     
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    I'm sure the stock cooler is fine unless you'll be O/Cing more than...oh 40MHz over. That's with the core of course. With the memory, it would be something like 100MHz over. On the other hand you might want to go ahead and buy a Zalman because the G70 for example...they run at about 110F to 120F at idle and that's supposed to be normal. A better cooling apparatus certainly wouldn't hurt. I like to have all my components to run under 100F myself. Of course when it's under full load, it goes over 100 considerably but that's understandable. I'd say go for it, but it's not truly needed but it would help it to O/C more...
     
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    SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong

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    thanks for the advice, the XFX $500 card (on newegg) has the same clock speed as EVGA's fastest card out (which is stated to be the fastest card on the market). Its about $70 less so I'll go with that, add in some arctic Sliver 5 with my Zalman and a great new pc to base off of and I'll have one smokin rig.
     
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    well in all honesty you probably wouldnt, but a comment was made in the thread that the forthcoming ATI motherboards will be "exclusive" for crossfire. Technically no one actually knows this yet and it is possible they could perform very well with an nvidia board. Isnt it feasible someone currently with say a 6800 ultra could possibly buy one of these boards and use his Nvidia card until he can afford to move to ATI hardware? a "stepping stone" to greater things !

    Just throwing out possible scenario's here as no one has yet been privvy to the full information !
     
  15. The_Neon_Cowboy

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    the new 975 & 955 both support crossfire "officially",

    945 is another one that supposedly could work with
    Crossfire along with could have support as well. Weather
    it enabled for thoseboards who knows...

    I would assume all sli boards or dual pcie will probably work
    as they do the same as Nvidia, the 16X is split into 8X PCIE
    and is fed to each card. Again yet to be seen... But if some
    news boards board can support both it maybe that some
    currents one will as well.

    again we get into official / unofficial support. Information that’s
    not been released...yet when we get into what does and does not
    support it officially and unofficially
     
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    SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong

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    I'm guessing there will be various mods (physicaly or through a program) to the mobo's in order to make them Cross-compatible if not already so. If SLI can't use crossfire and Crossfire can't use SLI then we are goin to see a very large battle for the top between ATI and Nvidia where customers will be forced to choose a side and stay on if or be forced to build another completely different computer to switch. Which may get expensive if you want the latest and greatest. I think ATI and Nvidia know this, and they both plan on making every customer a long time customer. Its not really a fiar deal, but if you want dual cards you have to pay a price that is more than just money.
     
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    you might want to check your info out. i know that 955 was done in partnership with nv & is sli. dont know anything about 975.
    i think there will eventually be merge of sli & crossfire. but it will be somebody besides ati/nv designing the chip for it. you guys got ot realise these are 2 different tech. it is basically the same as having the support for an amd & an intel spu on the same board. wich somebody has finally done after all these years. though we dont know how good the implementation is.
    now i realsie the cpu comparison is more complicated, but the point is still valid.
    i don not see anybody jumping into a design phase on a sli/crossfire board until AFTER crossfires release. nobody really know how stable/buggy it is or what the perf is truly going to be. now while i think atis release should be have a lot less problems than sli- this is the big advantage of having a platform designed for croosfire- there are still going ot be those initial release problems.
    i beleive nobody is going to waste resources on a compatible platform until they know those issues.
    all jmo.
     
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    i beleive the 'comment' was the other way around, crossfire would be exclusive to ati based boards. at least(hopefully) initially. teh rest of it you misunderstood to. nobody said the ati boards would not be viable for sinle nv. just not sli.
    not sure why we are still going around in this circle on this.
     
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    i have a zalman cu on my 6800gt. love it! i run it at 400/1100, temp still stays below at idle speeds & the same at full, long term load as what i was getting with the stock cooler at stock (350/1000)speeds.
    it is a great buy.
     
  20. The_Neon_Cowboy

    The_Neon_Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    you been liveing under a rock? :D


    ok... here some more sources



    Overview: Now Compatible with ATI CrossFire* Technology
    CrossFire* technology is a recently introduced product from
    ATI Technologies designed to dramatically improve the graphics
    performance of hardware and software applications designed for
    gamers and other high-end users. Now, the Intel® 955X Express
    Chipset, and the Intel® Desktop Board D955XBK based on it, are
    compatible with ATI's CrossFire technology. This means designers
    of applications for these markets can build higher-performance
    products on Intel®-based desktop platforms running Intel®
    Pentium® processors.

    http://www.intel.com/technology/magazine/computing/dual-graphics-desktop-boards-0905.htm





    Also
    here is a shot of crossfire running on a intel setup from IDF on 955x

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