GeForce 3 Outperforms a Radeon 9800 Pro

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  1. NewsFactory

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    Just spotted this bit of news over at 3dchipset.com! What do you think?

    This is no lie above. My sisters boyfriend is a World War II fan and loves to play Battlefield 1942. Well I wanted to see how well his system would perform when I dropped my Radeon 9800 Pro into his system. His system specs are:

    AGP 4X Motherboard (not sure about chipset)
    Windows XP Home Edition
    Intel Celeron 1.7GHz
    256Mb SDRAM
    GeForce 2 MX


    For More Info Head on over to ..... 3dchipset.com
     
  2. vbawol

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    thats bs ive got two systems that have the exact same cpu mobo ram but one with a geforce 3 and one with a 9700 pro and hands down the 9700 performs way better.
     
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    1) I don't believe the guy took the time to install the card and it's drivers properly...

    2) The guy doesn't give machine specs such as power supply make, model, and size

    based on just these two criteria alone I have to completely discount the guys theory..

    That and the fact that I've played the game with both models of card on my machine with the specs below and see absolutely nothing to back up his theory as the 9800 simply crushes the GF3 with this game on my machine...

    Agian my comparison is on my machine not his, but he doesn't appear to be giving the 9800 a fair test especially since the site it appears on is a predominantly Nvidia site...
     
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    MIG-31 Old time Member.. Staff Member

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    there has got to be no chance in that'ihave just gone from ti4600 to an ati 9600pro earlier this week,removing drivers then driver cleaner etc.and had a few problems to say the least with problems even though i were amediatly impressed with the 9600pro over the ti 4600 but still ended up reformating so to my thoughts are driver erors somewhere in the system. all due to the 9800 being way faster than a gf3ti.thing are supposed to improve when new hardware is released!
     
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    Did any of you actually read the article? It's pretty obvious a 2.5ghz p4 will be faster than a 1.7 celeron, which was the whole basis on why he said the Geforce card outperformed the Radeon. Seriously. The 1.7celeron would be about on par with a ~1ghz duron or something like that, and none of you that have criticized it have a processor near the performance of that. Fact of the matter is, older graphics cards do utilize the cpu less, and this guy was pointing it out. Also take note that the system he was using uses SDRAM, which further cripples the Pentium 4 performance by somewhere in the neighborhood of 15+%, especially in games, so you've got basically a very poor performing cpu on a very poor performing chipset, to compare it with a high speed pentium 4 or Athlon, BOTH of which are using DDR is blasphemous. Take note of the text and don't just respond to pure benches next time.
     
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    yep read it ok but if you think about how a celeron 1.7 is designed for not exactly what i'd call a gamers cpu would still find that hard to beleive.basically a fast video card would help not hinder performance regardless to most cpu is in the sytem,unless the cpu speed is well under par of avarage speeds at this time.could somebody else be able to back me up a little on this post.
     
  7. XxStichesxX

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    well finaly proof .. my geforce 2 ti beat a radeon 9000 on the 2 exact same computers I MEAN EXACT.. ( we did this about 1 week after the 9500 came out ) the geforce pushed about any where from 5-30 more fps in depending games .. but the bad thing is i lost the bechmarks and i dont have the money to do that test anymore
     
  8. BWX

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    If I was the one to install the 9800p it would go faster- The guy writing that article didn't even know (or care) what chipset he was on. Obviously a noob- or an N--vidi--ot- anyway- Turn on some aa and af and see what happens. I bet that guy dousn't know what aa and af is.. Sheesh.

    I guess if you put a Dodge Viper engine in a moped - the moped with the original engine might go a little faster because the wheels are still round-- Get it?
     
  9. **G.I.BRO**

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    Agreed... look who wrote it, *sigh*

    *cough*solomon*cough*
     
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    dmac your absolutely correct man. if he formated his whole comp and did this id possibly believe him somwhat. but since he has an older computer its prolly cause of compatibilty problems that it couldnt handle the newer video cards. it absolutely impossible for a gf3 which has no technologies comparable really to the radeon 9800 pro. im sure its a compatibilty issue. its absolutely retarded this person reported this id say
     
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    Well, dont count anything out... Anything is possible. I mean, the bit about the 9800 needing a beefy CPU to fully utilize the card is a tad bit understandable but, its highly doubtable! Also, there are no numbers or anything that we can see. I mean, what res was he trying, what AA and AF options, what eye candy and such... IMHO, there are toooooooo many holes to take this seriously.
     
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    The first thing I thought was, "I bet he didn't format before installing that 9800 pro."

    I can't believe that crap even made news.
     
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    well it all really depends on the game engine and how much it will utilize the video card, i know games that run shitty on 9800pro and smooth on a gf4mx card
     
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    that depends on the programing.as you quote.

    take for instance tomb raider angel of darkness.

    gfti4600 quite smooth but odd colours in smoke effects (green)
    tried a fx 5600 smooth enough

    now i have sapphire 9600pro jerky gameplay allthough all others i have are fine even though i have a fresh install of xp.
     
  15. Furious

    Furious I'm blind not deaf!!

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    I just upgraded a friend's 1 ghz Duron system from a mx440 (Gateway) to a 9500 non-pro (budget issues) and it's like night and day. He can run with higher settings like 4xfsaa and AF and it's smoother than before.

    I have a REAL hard time believing that the system wasn't hosed with the 9800 in there or that it wasn't some other hardware issue. He said he removed all of the old drivers but unless he does a format/reinstall no driver removal will get everything.
     
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    One word explains all this. "Bottleneck". Think about it a while.

    Q
     
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    Even so, it should run at about the same speed at the very least.

    I do agree with U27. I've seen games run worst on better systems due to either poor driver programming or game programming. One example I can think of is Rise of Nations ran quite a bit better on my friends radeon 8500 than it did on my system with a Ti4600. His system specs are quite a bit lower than mine as well.

    It all depends. I mean, I can see there being a possibility that Battlefield 1942 ran better on a geforce 3 then it did on a 9800 pro, but it doesn't matter. Everyone that has been around computers and computer gaming for a while would know that there are a ton of variables that would contribute to uneven or underperforming system. It's hardly something that should make news.
     
  18. Furious

    Furious I'm blind not deaf!!

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    At least it shouldn't make news without pretty extensive testing to validate the results. The absolute minimum IMO would be a format/reinstall.
     
  19. NewsFactory

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    Someone send me over a Radeon 9800 pro and I'll try it with my old PIII 866 :D :evil:
     
  20. Furious

    Furious I'm blind not deaf!!

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    LOL, I don't play BF1942 or I'd try my 9700 Pro on my 4th system, a Celeron 566 at 850.
     

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