Intel i9-12900K, MSI MEG Z690 UNIFY LGA 1700 Build. Advice Please.

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    arb65912 Well-Known Member

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    OK, I did POST. See BIOS BUT.... I wanted to use M-Flash but my USB Stick is not recognized.
    Help, please. :)
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    Figured it out, went online searching and found out that USB Stick can not be bigger than 16 GB. (mine was 232GB)
    Updated BIOS , I think I will try for Windows 11 now. :)
     
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    Windows 11 is installed. Now, fine tuning and more fine tuning and maybe soon RTX 3080 Ti

    Question, should I install MSI Center?
    Manual says: "MSI Center is an application that helps you easily optimize game settings and smoothly use content creation softwares. It also allows you to control and synchronize LED light effects on PCs and other MSI products. With MSI Center, you can customize ideal modes, monitor system performance, and adjust fan speed."

    I assume I install latest drivers first?

    Thank you!
     
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    I lean towards not installing MB software. They are usually poorly optimized and quite the resource hog for the little benefit they offer. I have an ASUS board and the only software I run is the stand-alone RGB app. And for my use, I don't even really need it running in the background. I use another 3rd party software to control my RBG. The MB RGB, Sapphire RGB, and Corsair RGB are all linked and I use it for a quit glance of CPU temps.... Anyway, tangent over... Most MB software is bloated and not very useful.

    QB
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    Thank you very much @QB71 and @Calliers

    Would you than suggest any software that do fan speeds, temperatures, etc., except BIOS itself?

    I have to admit that I am OK going to BIOS (years ago I was freaking out lol,lol BUT I can still mess things up as I simply do not know things, that is I am asking.

    Also, now I have my Ryzen machine and than one.
    What benchmarks, tests etc. can I run on both to be able to compare overall performance?
     
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    For hardware monitoring I usually just use CPU Z.

    As for benchmarks 3dmark and Unengine. You know, the usual.
     
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    Thank you , Sir! ;)
     
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    No problemo!
     
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    Here is two tests , my old rig and my new one but with old GTX1080 Ti PGP. RTX3080 Ti coming in couple days
    Old Computer UserBenchmark.jpg ARBPC2022 UserBenchmark with GTX 1080 Ti.png
     
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    keep in mind.. userbenchmarks gives intel anywhere from 15 to 50% boost regardless over anything amd offers. The site is even banned on intel and various other subreddits for this fact, the owners and operators of the site don't even hide the fact. They've been heavily black listed. So it's best not to directly compare the 2 to each other... in fact you can't.
     
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    I did not know that. Thanks a lot.

    I am not trying to prove that is good, just curious if it good as it should.

    How about the below, looks good and it is CPU-Z.

    CPU-Z 01.png CPU-Z 02.png
     
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    cpu z even did modification to the scoring system claiming amd was performing better than it should, magically in even some multi threaded senarios, the amd went from clearly winning to just barely inching out intel's offerings at the time which also got them somewhat black listed on many subreddits when doing intel vs amd comparisons.

    You'll notice many reviewers don't even refer to either short of just spitting up some generational change examples usually.
    Intel's 12th gen does have some single core performance improvements no doubt, not suggesting otherwise.
     
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    It seems that even in the computers area there is a lot of "politics" behind the scenes.
    I was always thinking that this are a was either unaffected or if, very slightly.

    Is there than any objective source telling what the real deal is?
     
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    HWiNFO64 to monitor temps, voltages, fans, an
    a bazilion other things

    Cinebench R20 to test CPU performance.

    Future mark to test gaming performance.

    Prime95 (small FFT) to test how well your system is cooled.

    QB
     
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    Thank you!!!
     
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    Here is my question.

    I was running Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 for about 2 hours and below are the temperatures.

    I do not know how to interpret them but I know the red is a NO.

    What do these numbers say?
    I am not overclocking, just running the sim in high settings.

    Screenshot 2022-01-10 135145.png
     
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    objectively gamersnexus is pretty through in apply scientifically. As for a one stop place, generally not. Reviews can vary quite a bit simply due to what tests are performed, and some reviews have been criticized heavily due to for example, using tools and benchmarks that were known to be exclusively designed or using libraries that specifically detect if it's intel and then enable all instructions for it, where as if it detect amd, it'll intentionally prevent it from using it's instruction sets (which are identical to intels and in some cases have been proven to greatly outperform).

    Some of these tools are obscure and some of them are heavily used in scientific research or development.

    In fact intel broke their legal agreement in the lawsuit that occured in 2009, repeatedly proven and far as i know, still going through litigation since ryzen launched when intel started up doing illegal things. But being intel, they can get away with murder with at most, a slap on the wrists.

    It's amazing how many billions of dollars intel has actively paid out to prevent OEMs and system builders from building with anything amd related, and for advertising, and underhanded "reviews" and benchmarking practices.

    Honestly if you want to take a venture down the wild road that doesn't yet have an end in sight, i could potentially link a few videos or articles that explains what's been happening and continues to happen.
     
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    Essentially what you're seeing is the overall problem with the 12th gen, while the 12600 is far easier to cool, the 12900k is almost impossible to keep from running at it's ABSOLUTE limits and thermally throttling to all hell. This is how intel is trying to beat amd, by basically cranking up the power and therefore spitting flames in order to provide "competition". I know of a number of people have given up trying to get their fully stock 12900k under control and ended up selling it since they were not able to maintain the ability to get the performance shown in reviews where numerous reviews use fully open test benches are the most top of the line AOIs or cooling often in sub 20C ambient temperatures.
     
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