hmm, recording the volume change within the midi track didnt work. i used merge and recorded over the part, it just did the same when i played back and played back at max volume?? starnge, i even tried putting the asynth master volume down and that didnt help when i played back. as soon as i adjust it (or the cubase volume) while im playing back though it goes to the volume i adjust to. strange!!! thanx lemury for your help so quickly!!