Nvidia 4xxx announcement - what is your opinion?

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  1. Tipstaff

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    Opinions?

    - Personally: if I can get one I'll pick up a 4080 16GB card.
    - That said, this is a perfect example as to why manufacturers should be required to post the card specs on the boxes.

    I CANNOT abide by the fact that they are selling 2 completely different GPUs under the same card name with the only notation that one is 16GB, while the other is 12GB. These are in fact 2 completely different cards, with 2 different GPU skus, different SM counts, different CUDA core counts, and different Memory Bus bit counts / throughput.

    Let's call it what it is: a damn 4070. Yes, we can see the difference in the above "spec" sheet, however in the store these are not posted anywhere... especially not on the box the card comes in. It's a blatant money grab. Nvidia knows they cannot sell an RTX 4070 for $899 US. So they come up with this sku, name it a variant of the 4080, and boom... an apparently "cheaper" 4080. The average consumer is going to buy this card thinking they are getting a cheaper 4080... same card, with less memory, and $300 cheaper.

    Shame on Nvidia. Gotta make that money back from the average consumer now that your honey pot of miners has dried up, hmmm?
     
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    I was watching videos on that same name, different card thing.
    It is all interesting how it will pan out with EVGA out etc.
    Crazy times, not only Covid wise. :D
     
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    Tech wise they look good. I was interested in a 4080 as a replacement for my 2070S and it looks like it would be a pretty significant upgrade in terms of performance. I have other priorities right now though and TBH there are no games that really interest me in the near future. I'm not spending £900 on a GPU, prices are just ridiculous now.

    I'm hoping that these prices are an attempt to clear the backlog of 3xxx series cards and that we may see prices come down. If the 4080 was to come down to circa £600 I might reconsider.
     
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    I'm currently in the market for a new gaming laptop, but I'm waiting for maybe a longish while before I will buy one because of the same reason.
     
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    The money I am willing to allocate to a GPU means that I really, really want to see cheap 3060 or 6600XT class cards (heck even a second hand 5700XT would do, but the prices here...).

    As for these... Having two cards with the same name, where one costs $xxx and the other a third more is ridiculous. Apart from that, the two higher end cards do look impressive, but I can't get over those max TGPs.
     
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    Weren't they even limiting the amount of power your PC can draw in some European countries or planning to? I think in France they were at least in the process of putting that into effect.
     
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    nvidia's pricing is out to lunch.

    Lets see what amd's semi monolithic/chiplet designs spits out... honestly nvidia's massive chips are going to be stupidly expensive, and power hungry, and the price is insane, while amd by every measure, should be able to completely thump them again on power efficiency, match them in performance again (or even beat in terms of pure raster), and the chiplet design is a true winner for being insanely cost effective.
     
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    Don't give nVidia your money... Gamers need to make a statement.

    QB
     
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    I certainly hope that the Intel Arc series are decent - it may force Nvidia to pull back on their silly pricing. Truth is I haven't heard very good things about Intel's GPUs and the RTX series include lots of support tech that adds extra value. What the market does need is competition.
     
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    as more details come out about the rtx 4000's.. it looks like it's just a beefier version of the 3000's and the performance measurements are even less than even being conservative were initially.
     
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    I'm skipping this generation and possibly the next, I'll upgrade at least 5 years from now.
     
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    I saw the performance figures, it's kind of impressive at first, but then also not really.

    I don't see much in terms of architectural improvements. In particular, I was expecting RT performance to rise more than the one in "plain rasterization", but the relative uplift is pretty much the same. As it stands, the card is pretty much overkill for anything not using raytracing, even at 4k. Which is something you would expect from a card that's this huge, this insanely heavy, this power hungry and which costs $1600. On the other hand, this is top of the line third generation ray tracing capable GPU, yet with raytracing at 4k (which is the target resolution for a part like this), you'll be seeing 70-80fps in today's and I dare say yesterday's games; in fact, in Cyberpunk, you'll need DLSS to achieve even that. And that's kind of meh.

    EDIT: The raytracing numbers that different YouTubers show are vastly different. On LTT, the 4090 actually delivered some massive numbers. Really weird.
     
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    I saw the guy on YT testing with 850W PSU and he said not to worry as 1000W should be plenty. I do nor remember what video it was though.

    I am waiting for my RTX 3090 Ti SUPRIM X 24G anyway so I will not be buying 4090, at least not very soon. ;)
     
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    In the meantime, LTT published a comment saying that they messed up: they had FidelityFX on by accident. The corrected numbers they put in a comment are actually even worse than those on Gamers Nexus!

    I think that, at current prices, the 3090 Ti might make more sense: a lot cheaper, easier to fit in a case and plenty powerful, with an asterisk regarding raytracing that also applies to the 4090.
     
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    Yes, it is not the top, but I am still very excited how my coming RTX 3090 Ti SUPRIM will work together with the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X.
    I am using integrated graphics now so most of the test are not really showing the potential (only pure CPU ones do) and I can not even install some stuff as it tells me I need a GPU lol,lol.
     
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    Even nVidia couldn't ignore the backlash of that joke of a card/price... Quite possibly, the door was open for some juicy class action lawsuits if they had actually released that abomination.

    QB
     
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