Discussion in 'Flame Warzone' started by JavaFox, May 15, 2002.
Now that is just damn confusing????!!!!
what's confusing is when sinjin asks what's shoved up digs ass but the thread really doesn't have a damn thing to do with it PLUS... it's in an off topic forum....
It's like when someone finds out somethings up there as but they were the only on in the room at the time but they are asking the questions......
damn it.... you figure the shit out!
So now we're attacking Intel because it had to change from PGA to FC-PGA in order to support Coppermine CPU's? That's such a lame argument just for the fact that when using a year old technology one can't expect to be able to compensate for drastic core changes in a processor. Palomino added a few transistors and SSE, that's not too bad to compensate for...Coppermine added on-die cache running full speed, new pipelines, new voltages, much higher speeds than katmai, and higher bus speeds, a little more difficult to compensate for.
Again, the difference between PGA and FC-PGA I understand...but when intel released the Tualtin, didn't it just have to do the motherboard update thing? I never heard anything of Socket 370 being changed itself a third time, it was always "motherboard support" that was a requirement. Slot 1 lasted for a very long time, P2 and P3 katmai...two whole new processor cores...Socket A lasted for a long time...but with only one processor core, the K7 Athlon. And no, palomino and tbred are not new processors, merely revisions like katmai is to coppermine and willemette is to northwood A and B.
So with Socket 478 Intel has 3 proc revisions...P4 478 pin Willemette/ Northwood A/ Northwood B/ Celeron
Intel has with Socket 423...P4 Willemette
With Socket 370 PGA Intel has...Celeron 1, Pentium 3 katmai
Socket 370 FC-PGA...Celeron 2, Celeron 1, Pentium 3 katmai, Pentium 3 coppermine, Tualtin
With Slot 1 Intel has... Pentium 2, Pentium 3 katmai
With Slot A AMD has... K7 Athlon
AMD has with Socket A...K7 Duron/ K7 Athlon/ Palomino/ Tbred
If you bought FC-PGA2 compatible, you could run anything P3 based
If you bought Socket 478 compatible, mostly you can run anything P4 based (533FSB on some)
If you bought Slot 1, you can run most anything P2 or P3 katmai based
If you bought Socket A, you could run anything K7 based...except for earlier boards couldn't run Palomino
If you bought Slot A, you could run Athlon A's, but no B's or C's, Palomino, or Tbred
It's all depending on what point in the development process you bought a certain socket JavaFox, Slot A sucked for AMD, PGA sucked for intel, but other than that you got a lot of upgradability from both sides. You argument about socket hockey is just...dumb.
Reno ... to answer your question about the Socket 370. No a Celeron-T will not work in the older versions of the socket. There are updates available at http://www.powerleap.com Socket 370 to Socket 370 adapter.
Well I can FIT a tualatin into either of those sockets.
Yes I know what you're saying but that's not what im trying to get it.
How is it any different that intel made it offical that you couldn't use their newer proc in a potentionaly unstable enviroment based on the board design and amd releasing newer chips that won't run stable or won't run at all on older boards?
The xp's required new voltage timings(or something i'm not sure) That made it so MOST OLDER motherboards incompatable.
You can use northwoods on the 423 boards!
You say this like anyone in here gives a damn!
I've got a question for you; if your mother and father got divorced, would they still be brother and sister?
Na they will be cousins.
For those using the argument that you cant use newer intel proc's on older motherboards will.
You choose to use little thought process don't ya? It's ok though. No hard feelings.
Why are you stilll here? No-one even cares if you exist. All you are doing now is wasting time.
What's the matter Silentst2000, you get up on the wrong side of the bottle this morning?
Yeah, and you can use a Tualatin on a BX board if you modify it. That speaks volumes. It pretty much shows how there was no reason to go from Socket370 to FCPGA other than to force an upgrade.
If there's really some compelling technical reason to switch to a new socket, WHY can people get it to work?
Yeah well changed socket designs increases revanues(sp) on chipset sales.
Exactly, Silentst2000, I'm glad you see that. Most Intel fans are like "No, they had to change socket because of some technical limitations, blah, blah.."
Socket 478 added way more grounding for the way smaller .13micron processors just to be safe when 3.0mhz comes.
Yeah, I'm sure they wanted to make more money too...they are a business...like AMD...who just wants your buck too...it's just intel doesn't cover up the fact that they want your hard earned cash.
Doesn't AMD's CEO get paid more than Intels? I remember reading that somewhere...
This socket argument is absolutely the dumbest I have ever been involved with...even stupider than the "why don't monkies stick more potatoes in their ho-hos?" one.
Well, now that there have been quite a few new CPU releases, maybe it's time to ressurect this thread!
Muahahaahaha! This my favorite thread on DH.
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