Well my thoughts are that why would you release a card within a month of the other and price them almost exactly the same so now one is obsolete compared to the other. I believe the consumers who had bought an x1800 series card have made a serious mistake where they could have gotten a lot more from the same amount of money. On Newegg if you search for a 512 mb card you will find the x1900 series right next to the x1800 series cards in price. Comparison on Newegg.com For 10$ more and a month of waiting, x1800 owners could have had a card unmatched by anyone. ATI is pretty much defeating the purpose of the x1800XT to achieve the performance crown. Though you can say it goes both ways for Nvidia also Nvidia release the 512 version of their card a great deal after the 256 version. Now the 7800 GT and GTX is seen as the best real price/performace. Though the 512 is crazy expensive and the x1900 is so much cheaper now it is much harder for consumers to switch over to the other side of the track because of SLI and Crossfire. They have to buy a Motherboard specifically for either or and crossfire needs a different card while SLI will only work with the same one. The thing is I see ATI making more and more compromises that do not favor thier consumers. Whats the point of buying an x1800 series card, how bout any of the x1000 cards besides the x1900? Why buy a card now if it is goin to be outdated in a month... and be almost exactly the same price for the newer model? I understand there are certain things that are out of ATI's hands like how the r520 was delayed due to some problems with yields and thats fine and all but in the technology business if your late your obsolete. These are a few of the compromises I have seen ATI (not truelly ATI themselves but who ever is in charge of each process) taken that do not benefit the consumers. Card Design: -High Power Consumption -Higher Heat -A cheaper way to deal with the heat issue (cooling solution) -Artistic loses -Imense Size Marketing: -Making your own product obsolete in a month -Trying to convince consumers that its not about the clock speed but the Architecture then not only releasing a card where any new Architecture does not gain any performance compared to competitors but that the card was imensely overclocked and a nasty ineffecient Dual slot cooler was placed on it. -Missing the lauch, normally that isn't so bad but Nvidia set the bar a little higher with the G70 and ATI should expect to at least meet that standard if it intends to be a competitor. -How to Name a product (mainly the titles Pro, XL, XT, XTX) it pretty much makes anyone who doesn't pay the extra 20-50 bucks like they are getting an inferior product. Same goes with the #'s (1300, 1600, 1800, exc.)of the cards themselves. Lookin in from the outside deciding to buy these cards, it does not compliment the user who would be buying it. It makes me feel (a bit of generalizing but it has a bit to do with human nature) that by not getting a 1900XTX I have an inferior card. My advice? Label the cards what they should be used for instead of making the consumer play a guessing game. That goes the same for Nvidia cards or pretty much all cards. -Wait at least 6 months to release a card the makes the previous line seem lackluster, especially if they are the same price. I truthfully do love both ATI's and Nvidia's products both but as a consumer (I only speak for myself) I will be goin with Nvidia and staying with them until ATI has fired a couple people, figured out what they did wrong, and start from there. I believe the Speed title is not as important as the consumer. I trually wish I could have an ATI card just for their driver support because it is truelly stellar. And I think the catalyst teams should really be given a hand. The hardware and marketing are just not there as well as the drivers and support. The drivers and support can only make someone so much money, but its the hardware the people actually buy. So again I have to stress I do not favor either or, just which is the smarter financial decision for myself at the time. Right now I feel I cannot trust ATI and call myself wise with my money. I think the x1900 is and awsome card and deserves the crown. But ATI has given up too much (in my opinion) just to be #1 for the time whivh they will lose, then get back, then lose, then get back. The only question if any I would like an answer to the most is this one Where is the old ATI I knew and loved? Well You probably look like this:sleep: or this:wtf: after reading all that so before you bash it I would just maybe make this thread a way to say what you think needs to change for ATI or what you (the consumer want). I will probably be compiling this into an Essay eventually and shipping it out to ATI when I have time. But I really need to go to sleep. So though you may personally hate my guts or think I'm a moron I still value everyone's views. I think everyone would agree though it would be great to have the old ATI back.